Decible level for various Exhaust

[Groomerdriver]

Here is what I don't understand - most states have noise restrictions for numerous vehicles - motorcylcles, ORV's, ATV's, etc. - they range from 94 db to 101 db depending on the vehicle and the year it was built - why would a restriction of a lesser db be put on snowmobiles (like WI's 88 db restriction) than these other vehicles - especially when you factor in the damping effect of snow on noise - a snowmobile of 94 db is going to sound alot quieter from 100' on 12-18" of snow than any of the other vehicles of 94 db running around on bare ground - am I right or am I right or am I right?
(I forget what movie that was from)

I know you won't like this answer, but the key difference is that on-road vehicles are on PUBLIC roads, not private land. Personally I love Harleys (used to own one), but the loud stright pipes that some of the guys/gals run are insanely annoying. There are many counties in northern WI that are popular bike destiinations, and they're considering noise regualtions due to complaints from locals about the incessant noise..day and night.

 

[Groomerdriver]

If you buy the Excell high flow header (as big of a HP gain as any actual system out there) you can run the stock silencer so you won't gain any loudness at all!

then this would be a great way to go!!!

 

[Groomerdriver]

Re: fine

They say the deciables but in wisconsin it dosen't matter how loud or quiet it is if you modify or aleter the stock exhaust in any way you will get a fine.I got a fine last year.

Ryan,

Part of me says..sorry dude...and the other part says....you knew the rules and you were asking for it.....

Jim

 

[yammiman]

....the key difference is that on-road vehicles.....

ORV stands for "Off Road Vehicle" and they don't run them on public roads - my only point is ATV's, ORV's, and motorcycles often run on the same trails (which include private owned property) that snowmobiles run on - why (when snowmobiles have the added dampening factor of snow) are they restricted to lower db's than those vehicles?

As far as fighting the ticket goes, depending on the severity of the citation (regardless of what state I was from) if it was unsubstantiated, I would be fighting it! - the last I checked, this isn't Russia - this isn't Russia is it Danny?

 

[pro116]

exhaust

Jim Ino problem I was just making a poiint.I had powerinc center dumps which where the quitest pipes made on the sx engine's it about the same dicibales as a srx.The same dnr was trying to give my buddy a tickect for his stock exhaust on his srx there not even loud.

 

[craze1cars]

Here is what I don't understand - most states have noise restrictions for numerous vehicles - motorcylcles, ORV's, ATV's, etc. - they range from 94 db to 101 db depending on the vehicle and the year it was built - why would a restriction of a lesser db be put on snowmobiles (like WI's 88 db restriction) than these other vehicles

My opinion on this: 1. Because most of our snowmobile trails travel for 100's of miles, often on private land directly past some very generous people's homes (yes, so do some ATV's and ORV's). BUT 2. There are FAR more snowmobiles buzzing past in season making noise than there are ATV's and ORV's. And all of our "I WANT THE LOUDEST EXHAUST POSSIBLE" people ruined it for all of us several years ago by not following the rules of common sense and common courtesy. This hasn't happened in large numbers yet for the others, therefore the residents had no reason to scream for more restrictive laws against them. But the damn snowmobilers gave them good reason to scream, and scream they did.

We simply did it to ourselves by not effectively policing our own. And now we have laws to follow because of it, and the DNR must do the policing for us.

I feel motorcycles that are operated on public roadways are a completely different thing governed by a completely different set of laws, and they has no bearing on the snowmobile noise issue.

I am of the strong opinion that snowmobile exhaust noise level needs to be reduced and controlled. I applaud the DNR's efforts to control it, no matter how flawed some of their methods may indeed be. At least they're sending a message, scaring people into thinking twice, and helping to keep our sport alive, which is more than I can say for the majority of the people who rant about their methods.

It's simple really, if you keep it stock, you are very unlikely to have a problem. If you want to mod it, mod it...but then by law, you must keep it off all trails that run on private land, unless of course that land is your own. If you're too stupid to follow the law, go right ahead and ride it, and deal with the consequences.

If you need to buy, beg, or borrow a dB meter to see if your mods just barely sneak in under the legal level, just consider it TOO LOUD and don't use it.

As for people who get tickets who actually have stock exhausts...that I agree is wrong and I have no answer, other than fight it in court and prove your case, which admittedly still sucks becuase of the hassle. I will say that every time I've come across a DNR guy with a dB meter, he waves my group right on by, because we're all stock, we're all properly stickered, we're going by him slow and courteous as we ALWAYS do when others are nearby or stopped on the trail, single file on the right side of the trail, and we give a friendly wave. Attitude is everything. I've personally never seen someone get hassled about their stock exhaust, but obviously that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Like everyone else, I'm just expressing my opinion here...if you don't like it, that's OK. I probably don't like yours either! So we're even.

Oh, and by the way. I'm STILL waiting for a pipe manufacturer to come out with a muffler that is significantly QUIETER than stock. Manufacture one and I WILL BUY IT...even if I have to give up a few HP. And I don't believe I am alone. Just thought I'd throw that in there in case a pipe manufacturer happens to read this post.

Peace out...I won't say another word as this post has already been clearly and fully hijacked...

 

[Groomerdriver]

Here is what I don't understand - most states have noise restrictions for numerous vehicles - motorcylcles, ORV's, ATV's, etc. - they range from 94 db to 101 db depending on the vehicle and the year it was built - why would a restriction of a lesser db be put on snowmobiles (like WI's 88 db restriction) than these other vehicles

My opinion on this: 1. Because most of our snowmobile trails travel for 100's of miles, often on private land directly past some very generous people's homes (yes, so do some ATV's and ORV's). BUT 2. There are FAR more snowmobiles buzzing past in season making noise than there are ATV's and ORV's. And all of our "I WANT THE LOUDEST EXHAUST POSSIBLE" people ruined it for all of us several years ago by not following the rules of common sense and common courtesy. This hasn't happened in large numbers yet for the others, therefore the residents had no reason to scream for more restrictive laws against them. But the damn snowmobilers gave them good reason to scream, and scream they did.

We simply did it to ourselves by not effectively policing our own. And now we have laws to follow because of it, and the DNR must do the policing for us.

I feel motorcycles that are operated on public roadways are a completely different thing governed by a completely different set of laws, and they has no bearing on the snowmobile noise issue.

I am of the strong opinion that snowmobile exhaust noise level needs to be reduced and controlled. I applaud the DNR's efforts to control it, no matter how flawed some of their methods may indeed be. At least they're sending a message, scaring people into thinking twice, and helping to keep our sport alive, which is more than I can say for the majority of the people who rant about their methods.

It's simple really, if you keep it stock, you are very unlikely to have a problem. If you want to mod it, mod it...but then by law, you must keep it off all trails that run on private land, unless of course that land is your own. If you're too stupid to follow the law, go right ahead and ride it, and deal with the consequences.

If you need to buy, beg, or borrow a dB meter to see if your mods just barely sneak in under the legal level, just consider it TOO LOUD and don't use it.

As for people who get tickets who actually have stock exhausts...that I agree is wrong and I have no answer, other than fight it in court and prove your case, which admittedly still sucks becuase of the hassle. I will say that every time I've come across a DNR guy with a dB meter, he waves my group right on by, because we're all stock, we're all properly stickered, we're going by him slow and courteous as we ALWAYS do when others are nearby or stopped on the trail, single file on the right side of the trail, and we give a friendly wave. Attitude is everything. I've personally never seen someone get hassled about their stock exhaust, but obviously that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Like everyone else, I'm just expressing my opinion here...if you don't like it, that's OK. I probably don't like yours either! So we're even.

Oh, and by the way. I'm STILL waiting for a pipe manufacturer to come out with a muffler that is significantly QUIETER than stock. Manufacture one and I WILL BUY IT...even if I have to give up a few HP. And I don't believe I am alone. Just thought I'd throw that in there in case a pipe manufacturer happens to read this post.

Peace out...I won't say another word as this post has already been clearly and fully hijacked...

This is one of the best posts ever made on TY.com!

Very well stated! Thanks!

 

[yammiman]

........This is one of the best posts ever made on TY.com!........

I would agree if we lived in an authoritarian country! - fortunately we live in America where we have rights that our forefathers fought and died for - rights that I'm not willing to give up because of the behavior and/or opinions of a few - if we were living under craze1cars logic, we would not be allowed to have a gun, a knive, or alcohol in our house because at some point those things have resulted in a negative outcome and there are people who don't like them - it boils down to knowledge and respect - knowing what the laws are and respecting them - I've owned motorcylces, hot rods, ATV's, pick up trucks, and snowmobiles over the past 25+ years - not one of them have had stock exhaust - yet I've never received a ticket for loud exhaust - when I go through residential areas or accross private property I idle through - does everyone do that? - no - and they are the ones that should be penalized - not me - it is no different than any other law!
As far as difference in the db restrictions go, I answered my own questions with some further research - the db levels are based on different test procedures - one is the 50' moving method the other is the 18-24" stationary method - they both end up being the same!

 

[Groomerdriver]

........This is one of the best posts ever made on TY.com!........

I would agree if we lived in an authoritarian country! - fortunately we live in America where we have rights that our forefathers fought and died for - rights that I'm not willing to give up because of the behavior and/or opinions of a few - if we were living under craze1cars logic, we would not be allowed to have a gun, a knive, or alcohol in our house because at some point those things have resulted in a negative outcome and there are people who don't like them - it boils down to knowledge and respect - knowing what the laws are and respecting them - I've owned motorcylces, hot rods, ATV's, pick up trucks, and snowmobiles over the past 25+ years - not one of them have had stock exhaust - yet I've never received a ticket for loud exhaust - when I go through residential areas or accross private property I idle through - does everyone do that? - no - and they are the ones that should be penalized - not me - it is no different than any other law!
As far as difference in the db restrictions go, I answered my own questions with some further research - the db levels are based on different test procedures - one is the 50' moving method the other is the 18-24" stationary method - they both end up being the same!

Still one of the best posts ever, and IMO it's people like you that are ruining the sport for us people who work hard to keep the trails open. I don't care what you can or can't do with ATV's, bikes, cars etc. It's snowmobiles I care about, and the fact remains that we ARE LOSING TRAILS due to landowner complaints of loud sleds. Period end of story!

 

[yammiman]

You could not be anymore wrong undecided - but if you need some one to blame, go ahead, I can take it!

 

[Groomerdriver]

You could not be anymore wrong undecided - but if you need some one to blame, go ahead, I can take it!

I'm wrong....and you're involved with what state organization? And you're involved in what county organization? ANd you belong to what club? And you've gone out on yuor own time and BEGGED landowners for "just one more chance?" And you've been a groomer operator for how many years? And you've marked and cleard trails for now long?

I'm wrong....TFF

 

[yammiman]

I belong to MSA and yes I have helped clearing trails - I don't belong to any clubs and have never run a groomer - and I never received a ticket for loud exhaust - have you had your medication today?

 

[number1kyster]

My vector has a hole in the exhaust from a stud and it sounds pretty good. I have a used muffler for it coming i might take mine out and gut it and weld up the hole. Anybody ever gut a stock vector exhaust?

 

[Groomerdriver]

I belong to MSA and yes I have helped clearing trails - I don't belong to any clubs and have never run a groomer - and I never received a ticket for loud exhaust - have you had your medication today?

Ok, so my reply got pulled...why? When I tell the guy to GFH, why is that worse than him insulating me by telling me to take my meds?

Should I tell him to GFH in a different manner?

 

[twomorestrokes]

Take a hint.