YamiSmurf
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Tork said:
Tork, I agree with you 100%. But if you reread my post, it states the bvs is not approved by BOTH dot and snell. Meaning it is approved by one organization, I just couldn't remember which one not that it matters. Law states that a helment has to be approved by at least one of the two organizations but not both. A helmet is considered safer if approved by both DOT and SNELL. Snell tests frontal impact and DOT tests rear impacts.
It may be the best helmet (I want one), but it certainly is not the safest.
YS
Actually DOT is a single impact test. Snell is multiple impacts from a different height.
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1- yes its DOT aproved.
2 its not Snell aproved beause the have no means to test this helmut.
3 I have tested it, I got thrown off my sled on a jump 1st off my Rev landed on my head and went 35 ft on my head.
Helmut unscrated not a mark.
Next time I was on my RTX , I was on trail in a whiteout, didnt see a drift , sled went up, I kicked off so as not to roll the sled, (we all know the healite assembly breaks easy)
I landed on my back and head, my back was real hurting , my head was fine ,just as the 1st mishap.
If it got stolen , I would buy another in a heartbeat, and thats the only doo thing I would buy again.
Scott
2 its not Snell aproved beause the have no means to test this helmut.
3 I have tested it, I got thrown off my sled on a jump 1st off my Rev landed on my head and went 35 ft on my head.
Helmut unscrated not a mark.
Next time I was on my RTX , I was on trail in a whiteout, didnt see a drift , sled went up, I kicked off so as not to roll the sled, (we all know the healite assembly breaks easy)
I landed on my back and head, my back was real hurting , my head was fine ,just as the 1st mishap.
If it got stolen , I would buy another in a heartbeat, and thats the only doo thing I would buy again.
Scott
As you will notice if you look back at my first post I specifically omitted the names of any helmets and any references to the safety of any specific helmets. I merely stated that when selecting a helmet the primary consideration needs to be the level of protection the helmet will afford you in the case of a big impact as in striking a tree at a moderate to high rate of speed.
Some of this skull caps worn by Harley riders are approved by the DOT. I've seen helmets that offer less protection than my child's a bicycle helmet DOT approved. SNELL specs are much more rigorous than the DOT specs.
IMHO the only helmet worth owning is a fullface helmet approved by SNELL. Modular helmets are effectively equivalent to an open face helmet, which IMO offers you less than half of the protection.
My ultimate point is: You may only have one chance to survive a high-impact accident. When you purchase a helmet you should purchase that helmet with that high impact accident in mind, the one that we all fear, not if it keeps your head warm or comes with built in lighting.
Do not make this purchase, lightheartedly. Do the research necessary to protect yourself. Do this with your family in mind. Speaking to one person with TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) will change your perspective.
Some of this skull caps worn by Harley riders are approved by the DOT. I've seen helmets that offer less protection than my child's a bicycle helmet DOT approved. SNELL specs are much more rigorous than the DOT specs.
IMHO the only helmet worth owning is a fullface helmet approved by SNELL. Modular helmets are effectively equivalent to an open face helmet, which IMO offers you less than half of the protection.
My ultimate point is: You may only have one chance to survive a high-impact accident. When you purchase a helmet you should purchase that helmet with that high impact accident in mind, the one that we all fear, not if it keeps your head warm or comes with built in lighting.
Do not make this purchase, lightheartedly. Do the research necessary to protect yourself. Do this with your family in mind. Speaking to one person with TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) will change your perspective.
Tork
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Ahhh Snell may not even be much of a factor with sled specific helmets Browsed all around their website
Snell has very specific standards on helmets for, skiiers, motorcycles, cyclists. go karts. No standards for snowmobiles that I could find.
This could be why you hardly see Snell cert on snowmobile helmets.
It looks like the Snell tests do not involve impacts to the chin area.
So even if these modular helmets were tested, many or even most of them may not be any less safe in real life or in the Snell tests. The face shields are tested however.
Cross checking the Yamaha catalog, only the moto-cross helmet is snell and it is the M2000 cert. I bet this is only in place because it is a motorcycle helmet.
Both Sno Force, the full face AND the modular are NOT Snell certified.
So I gather that the only way you can get a Snell helmet for sledding anyway is to go moto-cross style and wear goggles. No thank you, that is not for me
Scott, is this because, like I am finding out, that Snell doesnt have standards to test snowmobile specific helmets?? Glad your BV performed fine in your 2 crashes. Glad you are OK
Snell has very specific standards on helmets for, skiiers, motorcycles, cyclists. go karts. No standards for snowmobiles that I could find.
This could be why you hardly see Snell cert on snowmobile helmets.
It looks like the Snell tests do not involve impacts to the chin area.
So even if these modular helmets were tested, many or even most of them may not be any less safe in real life or in the Snell tests. The face shields are tested however.
Cross checking the Yamaha catalog, only the moto-cross helmet is snell and it is the M2000 cert. I bet this is only in place because it is a motorcycle helmet.
Both Sno Force, the full face AND the modular are NOT Snell certified.
So I gather that the only way you can get a Snell helmet for sledding anyway is to go moto-cross style and wear goggles. No thank you, that is not for me
Apexaholic said:
Scott, is this because, like I am finding out, that Snell doesnt have standards to test snowmobile specific helmets?? Glad your BV performed fine in your 2 crashes. Glad you are OK
Tork
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the Snell issue just keeps looking more and more like a moot point, and no way even the smallest reason to not buy a BV2s helmet'''
....all this arguement about modulars being less safe than full face, it has to have a chin bar to be snell tested etc
If all these points are true then why is this completely open face helmet Snell Approved?
http://www.harley-davidson.com/dwp/mcm/ ... cale=en_US
....all this arguement about modulars being less safe than full face, it has to have a chin bar to be snell tested etc
If all these points are true then why is this completely open face helmet Snell Approved?
http://www.harley-davidson.com/dwp/mcm/ ... cale=en_US
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Yeah, I've always thought that people who go that route must be about a half bubble off plumb...Tork said:
I never cared much for plums anyway...
Tork
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SledderSteve said:Yeah, I've always thought that people who go that route must be about a half bubble off plumb...Tork said:
I never cared much for plums anyway...
LMAO I didnt mean that the no face shield helmet with goggles look isnt fine for riding the tractor around the "SS Happy Acres Ranch"
03griz
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My current helmet, a Polaris bell extreme is both snell 95 and DOT approved. It is a super warm helmet, even in -35 I don't were a beleclava and I will sweat if I am not careful. Now, if I don't wear a no-fog mask it will frost over and I will have to drive with the shield open. How safe is that? Frozen eyelids are the result and driving looking through one eye is going to be the cause of the accident. Polaris no longer supports the helmet so as far as I know a heated shield is out of the question. So tell me how this snell approved helmet is safer then one that guys are saying never fog or frost?
My motorcross helmet is not Snell approved either. All the sizes except xxxl are snell approved but not the xxxl. Was I supposed to buy a helmet that didn't fit my head to get Snell approval?
No, from what I have read I will be buying a BV2S unless someone releases another helmet that makes sense.
Like say for instance someone brought back the old snowforce helmet. THere was a helmet that never fogged, even with glasses on. This was due to the long beak in the front that allowed air to escape that you were breathing. Too bad anything good is not made anymore.
My motorcross helmet is not Snell approved either. All the sizes except xxxl are snell approved but not the xxxl. Was I supposed to buy a helmet that didn't fit my head to get Snell approval?
No, from what I have read I will be buying a BV2S unless someone releases another helmet that makes sense.
Like say for instance someone brought back the old snowforce helmet. THere was a helmet that never fogged, even with glasses on. This was due to the long beak in the front that allowed air to escape that you were breathing. Too bad anything good is not made anymore.
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03griz, I totally agree with you on the origional snoforce helmets. It's what I still ride with. Pat's Yamaha in Greenland, MI had one sitting on the back of a shelf 2-3 years ago and he gave me a heck of a deal on it. But I like to upgrade every few years and this ski doo helmet makes the most sense to me. I agree that you should carefully consider a helmet that meets all your needs, hey that's the same reason I'm on a Yamaha in the first place. I think all the helmets are pretty good, I think this one is better because you can see so much better. This will give you more reaction time and lessen your chances of having an accident. I do have a very close freind with TBS and it's the worst. Is there any other helmets that guys are using that work as well? This Ski Doo bucket seems like the most user friendly one I can find.
Great information!!
03griz, I totally agree with you on the origional snoforce helmets. It's what I still ride with. Pat's Yamaha in Greenland, MI had one sitting on the back of a shelf 2-3 years ago and he gave me a heck of a deal on it. But I like to upgrade every few years and this ski doo helmet makes the most sense to me. I agree that you should carefully consider a helmet that meets all your needs, hey that's the same reason I'm on a Yamaha in the first place. I think all the helmets are pretty good, I think this one is better because you can see so much better. This will give you more reaction time and lessen your chances of having an accident. I do have a very close freind with TBS and it's the worst. Is there any other helmets that guys are using that work as well? This Ski Doo bucket seems like the most user friendly one I can find.
Great information!!
SIMMER
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As a former BV2S owner I'll throw in my $.02. They are thw warmest quietest helmet I have ever owned....period. The breath pads are a PAIN in the A$$. They will only last about 6-8 hours and the frozen dripping down the front of your jacket is a bit of a pain as well. I had a few problems with the mask freezing up and I just found the whole helmet a bit too high maintenance for my liking.
YES the updates were done!
As far as safety...I will say this. I'm not too worried about the SNELL rating. What I thought more about is... in an impact, the mouthpiece would basically come apart and I could see getting pretty beat up if one of those edges ever dug into your face. Its a pretty flimsy helmet.
PS. I LOVED the sun shield and I really miss that part the most.
I used it on one trip and sold it. Luckily I had my trusty CL-12. What a great helmet.
YES the updates were done!
As far as safety...I will say this. I'm not too worried about the SNELL rating. What I thought more about is... in an impact, the mouthpiece would basically come apart and I could see getting pretty beat up if one of those edges ever dug into your face. Its a pretty flimsy helmet.
PS. I LOVED the sun shield and I really miss that part the most.
I used it on one trip and sold it. Luckily I had my trusty CL-12. What a great helmet.
I also decided on an HJC. I have the AC-11. This helmet is incredibly warm, has excellent field of vision and the breath deflector and double layer shield work well together to prevent fogging. If you look at their website they give you a list of professional sportbike riders that use HJC out of the box. I love this helmet and feel very safe.
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Tork said:SledderSteve said:Yeah, I've always thought that people who go that route must be about a half bubble off plumb...Tork said:
I never cared much for plums anyway...
LMAO I didnt mean that the no face shield helmet with goggles look isnt fine for riding the tractor around the "SS Happy Acres Ranch"
They have their place....it all depends on where and how you use them. For midwest trail riding they're pretty stupid I admit and a bit too cold. But most anyone who spends any time out west in mountains, with heavy snow spray at altitude, will find that motocross/goggle combos are the ONLY way to go to for best vision. My bud has a BVS2 and he thought it would serve dual- purpose, but it didn't do the trick after we got past about 9,000 feet...at that level he found his lungs and body had to move SOOOO much air and moisture, along with all the snow spray in the face, that he had to change the filter about every 15 minutes or he could see nothing at all. Next day he was back to his old MX/goggles setup like the rest of us. You'll find that 80% of riders out west go with MX/goggles, the other 20% are either recreational trail riders or flat-lander first-timers who spend half the day riding blind. And in the UP or Canada, we sometimes wear MX/goggles on our most aggressive off-trail days...depends on humidity and temp. Otherwise it's conventional full face or modulars like everyone else mostly for warmth purposes at higher speeds. The MX's are usually too cold for trail riding. He likes his BVS2 under that type of trail riding conditions...says it's warm but flows well. I'm intrigued, but it's too small for my fat head so I've never worn it to give a first hand report. I also run an older HJC CL-12 for trail riding, but it's getting old so I'm shopping...
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RXWonder said:
This is about the ONLY reason I'd like to consider it....that is really awesome....does anyone know of other types/brands of helmets that have a similar flip-down sun shield? I'd love to check them out....I hope that feature gets often copied. I hate wearing glasses under the helmet, and safely carrying a whole spare tinted shield is a pain also.
Superman
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03griz said:
HJC came out with a 3XL last year that is Snell 2005-M rated. I looked hi and low for about a week and they are the only MFG that I found in my search that had snell in a 3X. The helmet is a CL-X5 and is listed on thier web site http://www.hjchelmets.com/clx5.htm . It was a new or late release last year and I had to order mine. I use a quick attach goggle set up with SPY goggles. I love it. The helmet has a wind deflector piece that seals up tight with the goggles and with a balaclava it is fairly warm set-up. I think I paid about 150 bucks for the thing. retail was $159.95. The BV2s is a great helmet also. I won't give up either of these helmets, I love them both.
