Muffin
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After reading a post here I replace the hand warmers on my XTX. I rode this weekend up near Hurley in temps from 0 to 10 above. I always rode the the stock warmers on the highest setting and always had cold hands.
After the RSI install they were on the 3rd bar all day and worked great. In addition I replaced the stock grips with the RSI ones and they are awesome. They are very, very comfy and the texturing is nice and grippy. They are 8" long and give a nice one piece fit over the hooks and bars. The best part is you will only spend about $60 at Dennis Kirk.
1. Dissassembly, take a razor blade and cut the old grips off. Use a heat gun (carefully) remove the stock heating element. A screwdriver or dental pic works good to help removal. Let them cool and use some emery (sand paper) cloth to clean off the rest of the glue. Clip of the wires right at the stock heaters.
2. After cleaning put on the new heat elements. The RSI are the same size as the stock ones and heat the hooks. So start the heating element about 1/2" to 3/4" from the end of the hooks. The new elements are sticky back so clean the bars with alcohol first so they stick good. Don't be afraid that the heating element seams not to go all the way to the end of the grips. If you think about it your hands are placed in the middle of the grips or on the hooks.
3. Now for the wiring. I my opinion solder with heat shrink tube is the only way to go. Blue, Red, to one lead on the sled, and White to the other lead on the sled. Wiring the blue and red together on the heating element effectively doubles the heat output. Be sure to slide on heat shrink before you sodder.
4. To put the grips on, I used the blow gun method and it works great. You will not need grip glue. You must first plug the ends of the bars will expand the gripps. I used a small piece of wood dowel pounded in the ends of the bars. Some people my choose to foam their bars. Start the grip on the bars and then use an air gun poked in the hole in the end of the grip and give blasts of air as you push the grip on. Sometimes having a second person doing a little pulling or holding the bars helps.
5. Your done. Almost anyone can do this mod and it will take about an hour if you take your time. The new grips will work the same as stock only you will have nice hot hands.
Hope this helps.
Rev Muffin
After the RSI install they were on the 3rd bar all day and worked great. In addition I replaced the stock grips with the RSI ones and they are awesome. They are very, very comfy and the texturing is nice and grippy. They are 8" long and give a nice one piece fit over the hooks and bars. The best part is you will only spend about $60 at Dennis Kirk.
1. Dissassembly, take a razor blade and cut the old grips off. Use a heat gun (carefully) remove the stock heating element. A screwdriver or dental pic works good to help removal. Let them cool and use some emery (sand paper) cloth to clean off the rest of the glue. Clip of the wires right at the stock heaters.
2. After cleaning put on the new heat elements. The RSI are the same size as the stock ones and heat the hooks. So start the heating element about 1/2" to 3/4" from the end of the hooks. The new elements are sticky back so clean the bars with alcohol first so they stick good. Don't be afraid that the heating element seams not to go all the way to the end of the grips. If you think about it your hands are placed in the middle of the grips or on the hooks.
3. Now for the wiring. I my opinion solder with heat shrink tube is the only way to go. Blue, Red, to one lead on the sled, and White to the other lead on the sled. Wiring the blue and red together on the heating element effectively doubles the heat output. Be sure to slide on heat shrink before you sodder.
4. To put the grips on, I used the blow gun method and it works great. You will not need grip glue. You must first plug the ends of the bars will expand the gripps. I used a small piece of wood dowel pounded in the ends of the bars. Some people my choose to foam their bars. Start the grip on the bars and then use an air gun poked in the hole in the end of the grip and give blasts of air as you push the grip on. Sometimes having a second person doing a little pulling or holding the bars helps.
5. Your done. Almost anyone can do this mod and it will take about an hour if you take your time. The new grips will work the same as stock only you will have nice hot hands.
Hope this helps.
Rev Muffin
did you use the resistor like others have
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roofman65 said:
Nope.
No resister or any other slight of hand.
The new grips have a higher resistance than stock.
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I've been gettng some PM's for more info so here you go
My brother and I got them from Dennis Kirk.
Here is the URL for the heating element
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_c ... Id=&mmyId=
Dennis Kirk Part #: 595918
$40.99
Grips
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_c ... Id=&mmyId=
Dennis Kirk Part #: 595915
$18.99
My brother and I got them from Dennis Kirk.
Here is the URL for the heating element
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_c ... Id=&mmyId=
Dennis Kirk Part #: 595918
$40.99
Grips
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_c ... Id=&mmyId=
Dennis Kirk Part #: 595915
$18.99
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RevMuffin (Scott) - correction. The new grips (when wired in the configuration that we do) have a lower resistance than the stock ones. Having a lower resistance results in a higher current flow ... which leads to a higher wattage, and thus more heat.
But I helped RevMuffin with his warmers, and no we did not use any additional resistance. I made the same change to my '06 Nytro.
I was running the '06 bars in parallel, which alway put out loads of heat. But I hated how my pinky finger always got cold. So I changed over to the '07 bars (which go all the way to the bar ends, instead of aluminum hooks). I used the same RSI heaters, and RSI grips. When the RSI heaters are wired up, they have same resistance as the '06 bars wired in parallel. So the RSI puts out the same big big heat as the '06 bars ... except now my pinky finger is nice and warm.
I ran my '06 bars in parallel all last year (close to 3000 miles). So we felt that the whole "more current will wreck the ECU" was total bogus.
To make a long story short ... wire those bad boys up and run them! Your hands will be happy.
BTW - Kudos to Rockmeister for the setup he developed. We just want to let others know that there are other options. That's why we have so many great supporters/vendors of TY with a wide variety of great parts/solutions available.
But I helped RevMuffin with his warmers, and no we did not use any additional resistance. I made the same change to my '06 Nytro.
I was running the '06 bars in parallel, which alway put out loads of heat. But I hated how my pinky finger always got cold. So I changed over to the '07 bars (which go all the way to the bar ends, instead of aluminum hooks). I used the same RSI heaters, and RSI grips. When the RSI heaters are wired up, they have same resistance as the '06 bars wired in parallel. So the RSI puts out the same big big heat as the '06 bars ... except now my pinky finger is nice and warm.
I ran my '06 bars in parallel all last year (close to 3000 miles). So we felt that the whole "more current will wreck the ECU" was total bogus.
To make a long story short ... wire those bad boys up and run them! Your hands will be happy.
BTW - Kudos to Rockmeister for the setup he developed. We just want to let others know that there are other options. That's why we have so many great supporters/vendors of TY with a wide variety of great parts/solutions available.
Nytro B
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I installed RSI bars, warmers & grips on mine ...... 400 miles so far and they work great. I went all last season (3300 miles) with hotshots inside mitts ....it's great to be wearing gloves again.
Superman
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gade-thrasher said:
Can we take this to a even higher level and use the RSI elements and grips with Rocks set up? What do you think? I'm thinking it would be no big deal and wouldn't hurt anything.
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Superman said:
You should probably contact Rockmeister about that. I don't know how his controller is designed, and all of the development work he put into it. He would have a better answer for you.
arteeex
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I don't want to sound like Chicken Little on this, but the rationale for using resistors is to cut the current draw from the grips because we have no data to suggest what the upper limit is for the system.
Runnig the RSI elements without a 1 Ohm resistor in series with each AND the red and blue leads combined will draw about 8.8A compared to about 4A for the stock units. For me the 100+% increase seemed a bit too risky. Also, the RSI heaters are being max'ed out at this level. But, if you want the heat more than anything else, this will certainly do the trick.
In any case, I do agree the RSI heaters are a big step up from stock.
Runnig the RSI elements without a 1 Ohm resistor in series with each AND the red and blue leads combined will draw about 8.8A compared to about 4A for the stock units. For me the 100+% increase seemed a bit too risky. Also, the RSI heaters are being max'ed out at this level. But, if you want the heat more than anything else, this will certainly do the trick.
In any case, I do agree the RSI heaters are a big step up from stock.
snirt
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i switched out my stock bars for rsi bars and grips,well after running them last weekend i didn't notice any difference at all..still froze my hands! this was hooking the blue and white wires together as per the instructions , forward to today,after reading some posts i decided to try hooking the blue and red wires together with no resistors ,i dont care about my ecu as i was willing to try anything . omg! icant tell you how happy i am to have hot grips again!!!! they work awesome just like my old poo's and on aluminum bars !! 70 test miles today and hot hands!!! arteex i know what you mean by using the resistors but i was willing to try it as i have a great dealer who would stand behind any probs i had..(even though there aftermarket goods) 
..we shall see in another 1000 mi but now i am sportin hot hands baby!!! obtw 09 xtx later snirt
..we shall see in another 1000 mi but now i am sportin hot hands baby!!! obtw 09 xtx later snirtWell I have 600 miles this year with the RSI grips and warmers. I rode in -20 degree weather and 2 bars for heaters with power madd gautlets it was great. No cold hands.
SRXSex
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Can this work for a 07 Apex GT
stewartb
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arteeex said:
Has anyone "burned up" an ECU as the result of adding electrical load from accessory warmers? Have there been any substantiated reports?
I have RSI heaters on the way. I also use a 35w helmet headlight quite a bit (tapped into the high beam wire). Lucky for me I rarely use handwarmers but on the occasions I do it would be nice if everything worked.
SB
snirt
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you live in alaska and rarely use handmarmers? man,what kind of gloves you runnin?
stewartb
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Handwarmers are for the first 5 minutes after a break. Otherwise I never use them. If my gloves can't keep my hands warm without handwarmers then my gloves are inadequate.
I dress for the weather and then deal with cooling myself during physical exertion. When something on a sled breaks or somebody gets hurt, you're just a guy standing around outdoors. Or spending the night under a tree. I prefer to be prepared for it. With the high quality gear we have these days? Comfort across a broad temperature range is pretty easy to achieve.
So how about some ECU failure stories? Why are guys adding resistors or supplemental power supplies to protect an ECU if there's no evidence the ECU is in peril when adding the relatively cheap/simple RSI heaters?
SB
I dress for the weather and then deal with cooling myself during physical exertion. When something on a sled breaks or somebody gets hurt, you're just a guy standing around outdoors. Or spending the night under a tree. I prefer to be prepared for it. With the high quality gear we have these days? Comfort across a broad temperature range is pretty easy to achieve.
So how about some ECU failure stories? Why are guys adding resistors or supplemental power supplies to protect an ECU if there's no evidence the ECU is in peril when adding the relatively cheap/simple RSI heaters?
SB
