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Food for thought. Another collaboration?

Discussion in 'General Yamaha Discussion' started by Joshua Smith, Jun 17, 2019.


  1. Joshua Smith

    Joshua Smith Newbie

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    michigan
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    2016 arctic cat xf7000 high country
    I have owned several sleds over the last 16 years. while the sleds of today ride like cadillacs and have ample power they are lacking what I like to call "the thunder." What I mean by this is the unmistakable throaty rumble of an early 2000s yamaha triple. My absolute favorite sled to this day was my old yam 2000 sx700r. Nothing to this day comes close to grunt combined with the cylinder symphony coming from under the skid plate. So in saying that I ask this, why cant yamaha bring back our favorite red head, put some modern age fuel injection on it to meet emissions and sell the snot out it? I mean seriously, those things were bullet proof, I had over 8000 miles of punishment on the original motor. I would give almost anything to have that red headed triple, fuel injected, and dropped into a phazer or sidewinder chassis. Am I wrong? Or...could yam sell those engine plans to another company to resurrect the two stroke triple? More reliable than a twin, smooth as butter, and power for days. Can I get an Amen?
     
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  3. ClutchMaster

    ClutchMaster HUGE Member VIP Member

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    2015 Viper 270 hurricane,
    2002 Viper W/162 A.C. skid, SRX pipes &CDI, 780 BB
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    Wisconsin
    I like the SRX power valved, triple piped motor better than the red head tho...
     
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  4. ClutchMaster

    ClutchMaster HUGE Member VIP Member

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    2002 Viper W/162 A.C. skid, SRX pipes &CDI, 780 BB
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    This motor really trips my trigger!
     
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  5. biffdotorg

    biffdotorg VIP Member VIP Member

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    Yup, blue head triple triple was the combo. Those that had Red Heads would try to put triple pipes on them, and economy went out the door. The original Blue head with triples was the way to go.

    I saw an SRX on Facebook marketplace yesterday. It had black heads on it. I was trying to figure out if it was bastardized, or if the engine was just that dirty.

    To the OP, most of us agree on the sound/feel. MFG's are limiting noise due to regulation. So offering a machine that can easily be modified for sound is what will happen. But coming out of the factory screaming won't be happening any time soon. At least we know the SRX fell just within legal limits stock.
     
  6. 74Nitro

    74Nitro TY 4 Stroke Master

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    2019 Sidewinder LTX
    They were a cool sounding sleigh in their day as well as incredibly reliable. I rode one for many seasons.
    On the flip side I never found it to have a lot of 'grunt', especially down low and considering that it didn't have exhaust valves it should be no surprise.
    The most low-end(off-idle) grunt I've experienced to date was my Nytro.
    By far the power and widest power I've ever experienced is my Winder. I can't see ever going back to a non-boosted sled.
    After a long day riding I prefer the sound of the Winder over the old in-line triple two stroke.
     
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  7. Joshua Smith

    Joshua Smith Newbie

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    Regardless of the color of the motor, blue or red, it's a yam triple. Wouldn't yamaha benefit by bringing it back with a modernized fuel system and a quiet muffler? A lot of people stay away from yams simple because they dont offer a two stroke. Could the "modernized" faithful triple with weight saving over the 4stroke and the snap of skidoos coveted 850 win them a large clientel base back? I know I would buy one.
     
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  8. ClutchMaster

    ClutchMaster HUGE Member VIP Member

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    2002 Viper W/162 A.C. skid, SRX pipes &CDI, 780 BB
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    I think they would sell like hot cakes! It’s just hard to fit all three pipes and the turbo o_Oinside the chassis.
    :drink:
     
  9. ishpeming fan

    ishpeming fan Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    I had a 2003 viper and I miss that sweet triple! That sled handled great and the motor was ultra smooth and fast for its day. 5000 trouble free miles when I traded her off for A 2007 Nytro. I would buy A new Yami triple 2 stroke in A heartbeat!
     
  10. TrueBlue

    TrueBlue Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    I also have my 2002 Viper which I bought new in 2002. Over 9,000 miles on it & it still runs like a charm. No major parts were ever replaced, just general maintenance.
     
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  11. Joshua Smith

    Joshua Smith Newbie

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    That's how they should be. Yamaha built long lasting strong 2strokes 20 years ago and moved away from them. Why do we get 5000 miles on other manufacturers engines and the crank goes out of them? I believe yam could make a killing on a modernized 2stroke. IMHO
     
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  12. DVW

    DVW Extreme

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    Location:
    Prior Lake Mn
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    My most favorite snowmobile motor was a triple 2-stroke (700 SRX). A triple has a distinctive sound that once heard is never forgotten. It turns heads even if well muffled. It is a sound that screams performance while at the same time sounds smooth. If one needs a more rational justification consider the performance advantage that comes with a better relationship between port area and displacement of a smaller cylinder. Sign me up! A triple is worth the cost and weight.
     
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  13. VX1R

    VX1R Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Current Riders:
    2017 SideWinder LTX-LE
    2018 SideWinder LTX-LE
    Vintage Riders:
    1980 Enticer 300 Twin
    1984 SS440
    1986 Inviter
    1996 Phazer Mt. Lite Mod
    1998 Phazer Mt. Lite
    If Yamaha ever decided to resurrect their 2 strokes again I wouldn't mind one bit if they'd drop something like this 780 Viper based big bore with a set of triple quiet pipes and squeeze this motor package in the Pro Cross chassis. That's all it would take to get me back on a lightweight 2 stroke again.

    V-rooom 'effn V-rooom!

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  14. ishpeming fan

    ishpeming fan Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    That must of been A sweet ride! Nice pipes and heads,she must have hauled the mail quit nicely.
     
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  15. ishpeming fan

    ishpeming fan Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    YAMAHA, are you listening?
     
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  16. ClutchMaster

    ClutchMaster HUGE Member VIP Member

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    2015 Viper 270 hurricane,
    2002 Viper W/162 A.C. skid, SRX pipes &CDI, 780 BB
    LOCATION:
    Wisconsin
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    Viper with SRX pipes. I had a set of CPR’s but the factory SRX pipes were better, not as peaky and mileage was much better. IMO JUST AS FAST, with a bender can of course.
    Same mega power head as VX1R
     
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