Hygear Torsion spring spacers

[Daranello]

Torsion spring spacers add preload to the rear torsion spring system increasing its preload and effective rate during compression. This spacer will help to set your vehicle’s ride height properly and increase the efficiency of torsion spring systems.

For the XTX the price is $60..... is this worth the price?? Im about 240lbs in riding gear???

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[arteeex]

I put these on my Nytro. I can't say if they're the key to winning sno-x races but I like the idea of the spring not rattling around on the mount. If I weren't lazy I could calculate the minimum clearance required to prevent coil binding. As it is I'm going to count on Hygear for getting it right as they confirmed. Coil binding is a concern because when it happens a portion of the spring will not be active. This puts greater strain in the portion that is, which can lead to bent or fatigued springs. This spacer is kind of a way to cheat more rate out of these springs. The technically better way is to install higher rate springs if your mass is contributing significantly to your traction potential.

Anyway, they certainly do increase the initial preload. Reefing up the spring end to install it with the front idler was a beeatch.

 

[Alatalo]

Not that it really matters, but please note that they also contribute to a small reduction of the maximum rear suspension stroke.

 

[ahicks]

I think you might be quite a ways ahead with a set of the X-Click cams. They're less (maybe 40.?) and likely capable of reducing sag to a higher degree.

Arteex - um, rattling? You're kidding, right?

They do have the sleeves to act as a bearing, or whatever, to prevent galling. Regarding the coil bind, I bought a set of these early on for the ProActive Apex. I suspected they were binding and called him on it. Short version, I ended up cutting the OD down about 1/8". That may be due to a difference in springs (his vs. mine) or whatever. For the money, I just can't see these as being effective. I did end up going with the X-Clicks as well to get the preload I was after at the time. Those work great! FWIW

 

[arteeex]

Not that it really matters, but please note that they also contribute to a small reduction of the maximum rear suspension stroke.

Yep. By the thickness of the spacer wall.

I used "rattling" in a loose sense. Mostly I think the spring will keep up with the movement of the skid better if it's not able to shift on the mount. What that means to the world...who knows. But unless they wreck by springs, I'm only into this for $30.

 

[fiddlersgreen]

How bout using both?? The spring spacers and the X-Clicks. Will they work together??? I have a set of X-Clicks on order and was thinking about as set of spring spacers.

I just find the sled bottoms more with the extra gas on back.. Other then that its OK.

 

[fiddlersgreen]

Didn't Cat use these....or like these, of the older F's and Sabercats.

I had a SC and found the sled very hard to bottom.

 

[LeeKo]

I have both the xclicks and the spacers. I weigh 195 without gear and I am running the xclicks on the softest setting due to the preload effect of the spacers. The only reason I got the xclick is that I wanted the aluminum adjuster vs the stock plastic.

 

[fiddlersgreen]

Sounds good.

I'm 250 with gear so the X-Clicks should have enough adjustability for me.

 

[NyTrOMaNIaC]

Sounds good.

I'm 250 with gear so the X-Clicks should have enough adjustability for me.

I'm about 215lbs with gear, and I'm tellin ya, you won't bottom your sled with these X-Clicks in the 4th overload position. I haven't bottomed mine in the 3rd position since install, and I've tried ! If you do bottom out with these on, you'll have a LOT more to worry about than your sled !

 

[Alatalo]

How bout using both?? The spring spacers and the X-Clicks. Will they work together???

It might depend on the exact spring that you are using, but I would be very careful if using both the spring spacer and a preload adjuster with possibility to add more preload than the OEM adjuster. There is a lot of reports about premature sagging of rear springs, at least for the 1400's and 1900's used in RTX and RTX SE. According to my experience, this means that these springs are heavily stressed already in the OEM application. Then, to add even more preload than the maximum of the OEM adjuster is simply not adviseable. There is a possibility that you are then loading them more than the maximum allowed stress or even that you are forcing them to coil bind.

I know that there is a lot of different opinions about this, but I would still like to stress the fact that I am not a fan of using preload to stop suspension bottoming. The preload should be used only to adjust the 1G position (also known as "sag with rider", "set-in with rider" or simply your suspension stroke when you are sitting/standing on your sled on the garage floor). If you have got bottoming out problems, this should be solved by higher spring rate and/or compression damping. If you try to solve bottoming out problems by adding preload, you will likely end up with a high 1G position and all of the drawbacks that comes with it.

 

[cannondale27]

Other than higher carrying capacity for rider or gear I cant understand why anyone would want the sled to sit higher than it is already.It is possible to put the stock springs on low setting and still have a plush ride with no bottoming plus being low it handles better.It requires decent shocks.

 

[SledFreak]

What's an x-click?

 

[arteeex]

What's an x-click?

It's between w-click and y-click.

Simple.

 

[**sj**]

What's an x-click?

It's between w-click and y-click.

Simple.

well in that case...I want a Z click!

seriously ...Andy...its a four sided billet spring adjuster with more adjustability than the three sided plastic stock one..

where's the best place to get it??