psychosledder
Veteran
I must have missed the part in the sales brochure that said this $10k sled was not tested properly and I was to assist in this process. I'll certainly bring this up with my dealer as to why I was not informed that I should expect problems.
I fully understand testing production sleds in the masses is not possible, but I was told by every loyal Yamaha rider the build and quality of Yamaha is by far the best. This sled certainly has not backed up those claims. I don't care about what ski-doo is going through or any other sled, just this one.
After the sled was set up, it's a great ride and I plan to keep it for several years (provided the frame doesn't snap and get me killed).
Because Yamaha hasn't communicated to me they realize there is a problem with these sleds and will resolve them, I have no reason to believe they recognize and will remedy these issues.
I can only hope Yamaha will remedy the issues on this sled and deliver the quality, performance, and safety I expected when I trusted them with my purchase.
I fully understand testing production sleds in the masses is not possible, but I was told by every loyal Yamaha rider the build and quality of Yamaha is by far the best. This sled certainly has not backed up those claims. I don't care about what ski-doo is going through or any other sled, just this one.
After the sled was set up, it's a great ride and I plan to keep it for several years (provided the frame doesn't snap and get me killed).
Because Yamaha hasn't communicated to me they realize there is a problem with these sleds and will resolve them, I have no reason to believe they recognize and will remedy these issues.
I can only hope Yamaha will remedy the issues on this sled and deliver the quality, performance, and safety I expected when I trusted them with my purchase.
pistol
Pro
are they all bending in the same place with the same damage for all ??? a trend if you will ......
phazerman2000
Veteran
Sounds to me like you should be doing the quality control at YAMAHA, PSCHYOSLEDER! I know a lot of guys who bought NYTRO's and you seem to be the only one having this issue. My buddy jumps his like a madman and still no problem. Do you see a trend HERE!
psychosledder said:
So so true i did not buy a used 1976 Jag here! I bought a RTX SNOW CROSS RACER!! That should hold up to more then any Yamaha ever made for bumps and jumps! That was what i bought it for! If i buy a Vet it better beat a Neon in the turns and top end! That is what it is MADE FOR!
Skydog
unchained
Expert
Hey Newbie, browse the forum first before stating he is the ONLY person having problemsphazerman2000 said:
psychosledder
Veteran
phazerman2000 said:
To correct you, I don't have an issue with my a-arms or subframe, others are. I do have a concern that if there is a design issue that it may be in the sled I ride. Look through the posts. The problem with my sled right now is electrical and Yamaha has no fix.
Also, to say just because your buddy doesn't have a problem, nobody else does is an insult to those who have spent a lot of hard earned money on their sleds to have them not perform to their expectations.
Finally, I paid the big $$ to have Yamaha do the quality control, not me.
Dont get me wrong i LOVE Yamaha, if i did not i would have not bought +15 of there sleds from 1987 to 2008. But again i dont like bending frame parts! I know Yamaha took care of my crank in my 98 SRX. Motor stuff i understand big time.
Thank you Skydog
Thank you Skydog
NyTrOMaNIaC
TY 4 Stroke Master
OK, we just got back, only the one sled without a doubt about this issue went to the dealer today for the checkup, and here's what we found...the subframe IS bent on the sled without question, and it's bent exactly where I thought it was. The weak area is where the a arms mount to the subframe, it's very thin in this area, needs to be beefed up in my opinion. Measurements were taken, and the left side showed a difference of 1.75 inches toward the rear compared to the right. Also, the FX Nytro subframe is nowhere even close to the same as the Phazer subframe, so... 
Solution ??? We're going to need to strengthen these up if we expect them to hold, but first, it's going to need to be put back in the original position. If the replacement subframe is not redesigned and strengthened, I would brace it before reassembling it on the sled to avoid this happening again, but it's totally up to you. We didn't get an answer as to whether or not it was covered, it was the first one our dealer had checked for this issue, and since it's still only early in the season here, there haven't been many reports of this happening in our region, so we'll have to wait to hear back I suppose. Either way, the sled can't be ridden safe the way it is now, so hopefully action is taken very soon, or we'll have to figure something out ourselves. I suggest you look your sled over very closely and pay attention to the shock position between the upper a arm, that's your most noticeable way to see if this problem is beginning or not, or you could measure the angle of your spindles after each ride and compare notes, just make sure you measure on a consistent and flat area. And most importantly, don't come on here and just post in these forums and hope that Yamaha is going to take the initiative if you're not willing to make the first move. If this is indeed a problem across the board, Yamaha needs numerous complaints in order to take action. You need to get to your dealer and show them what's happening in order to get anything done. I can't stress it enough how important that first step is, because this is the only way Yamaha will know for sure that this issue needs to be addressed, and more important, we get the problem fixed and are able to ride worry free
Solution ??? We're going to need to strengthen these up if we expect them to hold, but first, it's going to need to be put back in the original position. If the replacement subframe is not redesigned and strengthened, I would brace it before reassembling it on the sled to avoid this happening again, but it's totally up to you. We didn't get an answer as to whether or not it was covered, it was the first one our dealer had checked for this issue, and since it's still only early in the season here, there haven't been many reports of this happening in our region, so we'll have to wait to hear back I suppose. Either way, the sled can't be ridden safe the way it is now, so hopefully action is taken very soon, or we'll have to figure something out ourselves. I suggest you look your sled over very closely and pay attention to the shock position between the upper a arm, that's your most noticeable way to see if this problem is beginning or not, or you could measure the angle of your spindles after each ride and compare notes, just make sure you measure on a consistent and flat area. And most importantly, don't come on here and just post in these forums and hope that Yamaha is going to take the initiative if you're not willing to make the first move. If this is indeed a problem across the board, Yamaha needs numerous complaints in order to take action. You need to get to your dealer and show them what's happening in order to get anything done. I can't stress it enough how important that first step is, because this is the only way Yamaha will know for sure that this issue needs to be addressed, and more important, we get the problem fixed and are able to ride worry free
parkindale
Extreme
winter is short, beef up the weak area's yourself until a cure is found. M2C
GT44
Extreme
NyTrOMaNIaC is 100% correct get these sleds to the dealer and Yamaha may come out with a fix. Mine is at the dealer for its second visit regarding this issue, the front end and all the plastic is off the sled trying to find the bend. The dealer has already told me there is 0 sign of a impact. They have contacted yamaha and the regional rep about the problem, Yamaha has told them the bend is where the A-arms attach to the sub frame, they know.
The rep said he knows of 1 other sled in his area, not sure if it's just newfoundland or the entire atlantic provinces, that has this problem. If people don't go through the correct steps Yamaha won't do anything. Get the sled to the dealer have them find the bend, and let them contact Yamaha for the fix. Yamaha won't admit there is problem until a certain number of sleds have been inspected by a certified dealer, and those dealers say yes the sub frame is bent and no sign of serious impact.
The rep said he knows of 1 other sled in his area, not sure if it's just newfoundland or the entire atlantic provinces, that has this problem. If people don't go through the correct steps Yamaha won't do anything. Get the sled to the dealer have them find the bend, and let them contact Yamaha for the fix. Yamaha won't admit there is problem until a certain number of sleds have been inspected by a certified dealer, and those dealers say yes the sub frame is bent and no sign of serious impact.
Jesster
Extreme
parkindale said:
If it was my Bravo then yeah.. I don't really care that much about it, and the warranty expired 20 years ago. DIY welding sh-t on to a brand new sled is sketchy if you ask me.
parkindale
Extreme
Ya I know how you feel ,but if i find a bend in mine I will take it straight to the dealer & then back to my shop & fix it until they figure out what to do, I ain't gonna bitch about it & be without a sled . M2CJesster said:
Tork
TY 4 Stroke God
This does look like a trend, possible weakness in the design. Make the best of it for the next 3-6 weeks (?? season length is always a guess)
Yamaha is a good company and I believe any weakness would likely be addressed.
but.....and this is a major point.....
probably wont be addressed until summer or fall. For guys who cant ride their sleds at all, this is a major hardship for sure. For everybody else, make do the best you can.
figuring out what is wrong, engineering a fix, making improved/additional parts, shipping them, getting them installed at the dealer.......60-90 days at the very least.
Yamaha is a good company and I believe any weakness would likely be addressed.
but.....and this is a major point.....
probably wont be addressed until summer or fall. For guys who cant ride their sleds at all, this is a major hardship for sure. For everybody else, make do the best you can.
figuring out what is wrong, engineering a fix, making improved/additional parts, shipping them, getting them installed at the dealer.......60-90 days at the very least.
Nikolai
TY 4 Stroke God
I thought I'd mention that I finally got around to fixing my front end tonight. I had hit a rock with the ski and it pushed the right ski back alittle and made the spindle vertical. at first I thought it was the sub frame but no damage anywhere, then the lower a-arm but they seem beefy. After looking at it for a long time it was just the upper a-arm The spindle rotates around the lower ball joint and pushes the tie rod forward bending the a-arm. Took about 5 minutes with a big pry bar to bend it back. Looks completely fine now. Needles to say I'm not bracing any of the a-arms as originally planned. Much easier to bend one back instead of replacing the sub frame.
NLViper
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Looks like my sub frame is bent as well (RTX). On the right side of my sled (throttle side) the shock is off center in the A Arm. I am going to take a measure tonight and take it to my dealer this week for Inspection. I have already spoke with him and he said it was the first he heard of it. He told me to bring it in so we can get it reported to Yamaha. Just for the guys in Newfoundland my Dealer is in Clarenville.
