NO MORE REGULAR GAS IN CANADA!!!

[aceltx09]

cat hunter,
It is so ridiculous isn't it? We actually purchase oil from other countries while we have plenty right under our asses!!! At least you guys sell it!! But that sucks that you pay more for it. Watching these government officials play with our money and make make horrible decisions makes me sick. Hopefully people in America will wake up soon. The last election here was sign of it, but we will see what happens. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[aceltx09]

Wow is that 1.13 us dollars (i guess so they are pretty even) for 1 liter of gas!!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kviper]

Hey farmer boy,
Yes I was saying you should be extra careful filling your tank when its snowing or raining because of the new fuel. It will absolutly absorb more moisture than just gas alone!! I do agree with you that we need to cut our foreign dependency on oil. But not by ramming thuis CRAP down our throats. We have plenty of our own oil, in fact we have more oil reserves than any other country!!!! You sound like one of the global warming lunatics. Should I have my girl stop using hair spray because of the ozone layer to?? I'm sorry you didn't get a bigger handout from the government. There are plenty of credible place on the internet that are non biast were people can check for themselves to see who is right. Do you want the government to pass laws to only use ethanol mmm I wonder whose pockets that would line. tick tock tick tock oh yea the farmers like you, thats why you like ethanol. LOLOLOLOL

I am far from a global warming fanatic! And your statement of having to be careful while fueling with 15% ethanol is ridiculous. I also stated that ethanol is only one tool. Never said we should go 100%. They are also heading in the cellulosic ethanol direction as well and that is fine with me and will not put a dime in my pocket. The direction the world is going we will need all of the corn we can produce for food alone. By the way we grow a lot of canning crop's, Soybean's, And yes some corn. acel you should run out and buy a farm so you can get rich on ethanol to. LOL The US is now the worlds largest exporter of ethanol but i am sure you guy's already know that. Yes the US and most of the rest of the world is flocked up.

 

[kviper]

Kviper,
You are still looking at the small picture from your biased point of view.
1) Every single gas-powered engine out there would have to be replaced by one that could run ethanol...How much do you think this would cost? More than any country could afford, even us
2)Why use ethanol when gasoline is more efficient? I hate to burst your bubble but nature spews more green house gases than humanity EVER could. Ever seen a volcano erupt? It would takes humans years to equal the amount of GH gases pumped out by one of those. So don't try to use the "save the environment" arguement.
3) What do you think would happen to food prices if the majority of our grown products were used to make ethanol? I'll tell you what, they'd skyrocket.
4) One more fun fact for you: "If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States."

In the end, ethanol, while tempting, is NOT a viable alternative to gasoline. It's barely even a puzzlepiece in the problem of getting off the dependence of foreign oil. You want to get off foreign oil, drill in the US.

You have taken every thing i have said and turned it in to what you wanted to read. Depending on what level of ethanol you are talking we would not have to reinvent the motor. A simple increase in compression and ethanol IS more efficient. Higher compression= more power and efficiency and is do able due to the cooler slower burn of alcohol. Fords ecoboost motors accomplish this through boost (3.5 liter v 6 motor producing 360hp and over 400lb ft torque with 80% of available torque by 1,000 RPM. The tec is here all they need to do is use it. As for number two are you saying that because volcano's erupt that we should not care about pollution? Number 3 & 4, Again i never said we should go 100% ethanol or even hinted that we should go more than 15%. Don't try to create more of an argument than is already here. Your post is the perfect example of what happens to fact's about a lot of things. Blown way out of proportion.

 

[kviper]

Ethanol will clean fuel tank's, and line's. This is bad because? If the station has proper filter's you should only have to be concerned with your own filter's and after a filter change or two you will have a clean system and never have a frozen fuel line in the middle of no where again. Make it your advantage and after a while it will be a win win. I have been using 10% in every thing for several year's now with no trouble or frozen fuel line's.

 

[Sled Dog]

LMAO so far I have to agree with kviper on most of his points. The fact is though ethanol sucks period. The only thing its good for is to keep the water out of your gas tank by making it kind of combustible enough to get rid of it through your engine and stop the water from freezing in your fuel system. I dont understand what 10% is going to do other than to make us and the tree huggers feel better. Until we get China and India on board there is no sense in doing anything. Gasoline engines are designed to burn gasoline. Another joke is adding nitrogen in gas to make it burn better. When I was in school I was taught nitrogen was an and still is inert. Which means it does not react with other molecules. So they are selling you something they get for free and it does nothing and charge you for it. Now dont you feel better now?

 

[Carver]

lets not drag this on, I think rapeape has it all summed up. lol

you'll be fine.
or..
every sled in Canada will explode.

 

[sherlock29]

Can't comment on other refineries... but i work at the largest on the eastern seaboard(can't say who) we currently do NOT mix ethanol in our fuel... but we are designing a project now to convert... (very soon)...

 

[sgilbert]

I believe ethonal is a good idea, just dont think it should be mixed with gas. one or the other.

 

[YamahaMainer]

Kviper,
You are still looking at the small picture from your biased point of view.
1) Every single gas-powered engine out there would have to be replaced by one that could run ethanol...How much do you think this would cost? More than any country could afford, even us
2)Why use ethanol when gasoline is more efficient? I hate to burst your bubble but nature spews more green house gases than humanity EVER could. Ever seen a volcano erupt? It would takes humans years to equal the amount of GH gases pumped out by one of those. So don't try to use the "save the environment" arguement.
3) What do you think would happen to food prices if the majority of our grown products were used to make ethanol? I'll tell you what, they'd skyrocket.
4) One more fun fact for you: "If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States."

In the end, ethanol, while tempting, is NOT a viable alternative to gasoline. It's barely even a puzzlepiece in the problem of getting off the dependence of foreign oil. You want to get off foreign oil, drill in the US.

You have taken every thing i have said and turned it in to what you wanted to read. Depending on what level of ethanol you are talking we would not have to reinvent the motor. A simple increase in compression and ethanol IS more efficient. Higher compression= more power and efficiency and is do able due to the cooler slower burn of alcohol. Fords ecoboost motors accomplish this through boost (3.5 liter v 6 motor producing 360hp and over 400lb ft torque with 80% of available torque by 1,000 RPM. The tec is here all they need to do is use it. As for number two are you saying that because volcano's erupt that we should not care about pollution? Number 3 & 4, Again i never said we should go 100% ethanol or even hinted that we should go more than 15%. Don't try to create more of an argument than is already here. Your post is the perfect example of what happens to fact's about a lot of things. Blown way out of proportion.

First off, I'll apologize. I thought you were insinuating that soon all engines will be running off pure ethanol.

Secondly, you are still not seeing the big picture...Why use ethanol if we don't have to? Gasoline works better and costs much less in just about every field.

Look, I understand that you're part of the ethanol production chain so you're obviously going to be biased in favor of the thing that pays your bills. In light of this, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree and only time will tell what part ethanol will play in the national's energy problem.

 

[dhkr123]

LMAO so far I have to agree with kviper on most of his points. The fact is though ethanol sucks period. The only thing its good for is to keep the water out of your gas tank by making it kind of combustible enough to get rid of it through your engine and stop the water from freezing in your fuel system. I dont understand what 10% is going to do other than to make us and the tree huggers feel better. Until we get China and India on board there is no sense in doing anything. Gasoline engines are designed to burn gasoline. Another joke is adding nitrogen in gas to make it burn better. When I was in school I was taught nitrogen was an and still is inert. Which means it does not react with other molecules. So they are selling you something they get for free and it does nothing and charge you for it. Now dont you feel better now?

Eh... nitrogen is NOT INERT.
However, it won't help your fuel.

 

[apltx08]

Wow is that 1.13 us dollars (i guess so they are pretty even) for 1 liter of gas!!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 US Gal = 3.78L x 1.13/L = $4.27 Us/Gal. !!!!

 

[kviper]

Not 100% sure but i am quite sure Urea (nitrogen) is not burned inside the diesel engine's. It is injected at a very small rate in to a chamber that the exhaust passes through to create very high temp's to incinerate the emitions that a diesel puts out, The same thing the huge expensive constant problem resonator's did that are now pretty much gone. I have a small trucking company and have watched this transpire over the last few year's and sofar the urea is working well with out taxing the motor or burning extra fuel. They say the new Ford diesel will need the urea tank refiled when oil is changed.

 

[Sled Dog]

LMAO so far I have to agree with kviper on most of his points. The fact is though ethanol sucks period. The only thing its good for is to keep the water out of your gas tank by making it kind of combustible enough to get rid of it through your engine and stop the water from freezing in your fuel system. I dont understand what 10% is going to do other than to make us and the tree huggers feel better. Until we get China and India on board there is no sense in doing anything. Gasoline engines are designed to burn gasoline. Another joke is adding nitrogen in gas to make it burn better. When I was in school I was taught nitrogen was an and still is inert. Which means it does not react with other molecules. So they are selling you something they get for free and it does nothing and charge you for it. Now dont you feel better now?

Eh... nitrogen is NOT INERT.
However, it won't help your fuel.

When I went to grade school we were taught it was inert and now it is mostly inert. Either way it will not support or help combustion and that is what I was saying. Really got to watch what you say around here as there are Einstiens all over the place. Now go ahead and spell check me. LOL

copy and paste of some info I found on N02
Nitrogen (N2) is a colorless, odorless and tasteless gas that makes up 78.09% (by volume) of the air we breathe. It is nonflammable and it will not support combustion.
Nitrogen gas is slightly lighter than air and slightly soluble in water. It is commonly thought of and used as an inert gas; but it is not truly inert. It forms nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide with oxygen, ammonia with hydrogen, and nitrogen sulfide with sulfur. Nitrogen compounds are formed naturally through biological activity. Compounds are also formed at high temperature or at moderate temperature with the aid of catalysts. At high temperatures, nitrogen will combine with active metals, such as lithium, magnesium and titanium to form nitrides. Nitrogen is necessary for various biological processes, and is used as a fertilizer, usually in the form of ammonia or ammonia-based compounds. Compounds formed with halogens and certain organic compounds can be explosive.

Nitrogen condenses at its boiling point, -195.8o C (-320.4o F), to a colorless liquid that is lighter than water.

More nitrogen is used by customers than any other industrial gas. It is used in a broad range of industries, including chemicals, pharmaceuticals, petroleum processing, glass and ceramic manufacture, steelmaking and other metals refining and fabrication processes, pulp and paper manufacture, and healthcare. Aside from N2, nitrogen may be referred to as GAN or GN in its gaseous form, and LIN or LN in its liquid form.

Nitrogen is produced in large volumes in both gas and liquid form by cryogenic distillation; smaller volumes may be produced as a gas by pressure swing adsorption (PSA) or diffusion separation processes (permeation through specially designed hollow fibers). Cryogenic processes can produce very pure nitrogen. Adsorption and diffusion processes are typically used to make lower purity product in relatively small amounts. This is attractive to users when purity is not critical and alternatives (purchase of bulk liquid nitrogen, cylinders of high pressure nitrogen, or local cryogenic production) are more expensive or impractical.

Gaseous nitrogen is valued for inertness. It is used to shield potentially reactive materials from contact with oxygen.

Liquid nitrogen is valued for coldness as well as inertness. When liquid nitrogen is vaporized and warmed to ambient temperature, it absorbs a large quantity of heat. The combination of inertness and its intensely cold initial state makes liquid nitrogen an ideal coolant for certain applications such as food freezing. Liquid nitrogen is also used to cool materials which are heat sensitive or normally soft to allow machining or fracturing. Examples are used tires, plastics, certain metals and even pharmaceuticals.

 

[dhkr123]

I'll accept "mostly" inert