raced an XP?

I think that half of the problem with alot of the 4 stroke yammi's that are getting beat by smaller sleds is they aren't getting all of that torque to the ground. Also racing in looser snow conditions is without a doubt working against you due to the extra weight. If you are racing on ice with trail studs and the smaller cc sled has chissels that also is a major set back which is hard to overcome. The bottom line is that IF you are hooking up all the way through shift out there aren't many trail sleds that are going to beat you by alot. IMHO
 
OK I re-read your post and my response and I assumed you were brand loyal which was wrong. Sorry bout that.
My last sled was an F7 and prior to that an 800 Doo. Both were good sleds and outperformed the Apex in some catagories. At the time being there is no better sled overall than the Apex at least for my riding habits. I really don’t believe there exists a sled now or any time soon that will be the best at everything.
Of course my sled is for sale. Everything is for sale for the right price. I really doubt anyone would give me the money I’d like to get for it. I’d end up buying another Apex anyway at least for the time being. The Apex is currently the fastest 150Hp sled IMO but there are plenty of sleds that beat it. The 05-07 Mach Z comes to mind assuming the owner has it set up correctly and it does not have any on going engine issue. Problem is the 1000SDI motor while making great power and getting great economy has a very short life. The three that were in our group were unmodded and were all faster that the 3 Apexs in our group. You will notice that I said were because guess what. They all blew up between 2000 to 5000 miles on the motors. IMO they all handled better than the Apex as well but whats the use. They are grenades We also had an 800 Mach Z triple triple that was faster than the Apexs and fairly reliable but it was a relic with no suspension, it handled like sh**, weighed a ton and was a pig on fuel. I believe the XP will also beat the Apex as it matures if the Apex remains at the same weight and same power it is now.
Regarding the XP. I do not believe it is strictly clutch tuning that needs to be done and I don’t think I said that. Over the next few years I think will we see completely different secondary clutches, jackshafts, chaincases, gearing, chassis and suspension calibrations that will slowly bring forth the potential of a 154HP motor on a sub 450Lb sled. Obviously the power is there but something is wrong. They will eventually get it right.
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that I agree the Apex is the overall best high perf sled now. Its not the fastest. Its not the best handling. It has its issues but at the current time no other single sled beats it in enough catagories to make it a better overall sled.
Of course just my opinion.
Not trying to take anything away from my sled of choice---The Apex---for now
 
[/quote]

And almost every thread I've read where the Apex wins was written by an Apex owner
And almost every thread I've read where A Cat wins was written by a Cat owner
And almost every thread I've read where a Poo wins was written by an Poo owner

Its just the nature of the beast on these forums. Those who lose to the opposition rarely post or lie about the outcome. That goes for this forum as well. There is the odd owner who admits defeat on these forums and is looking for the reason and a solution.

[/quote]

I am an Apex owner and pretty much love my sled. I also race ashpalt with it in the summer. But, my buddies 800R got really fast after about 800 miles of break in. Last weekend, he whipped my RTX, my buddies RTX, and another Apex with several mods. His doo is one of the fast ones and I don't see any stock Apexes beating it in the 1000' or 1320'. We can get him in the 660' and maybe on a 2000' run.

I'd be careful thinking that they are slow...you might get disappointed next year when they are all brokin in.
 
i don't think any of the big dog sleds are slow, but 800r was so talked about to be an apex killer and i've seen very few prove it, the person who get's the hole shot wins 99% of the time, then the other are playing catch
 
yep my buddy has a xp summit and i can get him byabout a ski length but the lake is gonzo it was plus ten for like 3 days then cold again so its all icy and we boath spin like a mofo off the line but it depends on who gets the jump i even got beat by a 600 rr but he has a 1.75 track and he got the jump but i was gaining hard he was doing 90at the finishline and i was doing 115 at the finishline and on hte xp summit he was doin 101 and iwas doing 105 so i was starting to pull away but if i could get a bigger track under my sled and make it hook up i think she would fly :4STroke:
 
energeezer said:
OK I re-read your post and my response and I assumed you were brand loyal which was wrong. Sorry bout that.
My last sled was an F7 and prior to that an 800 Doo. Both were good sleds and outperformed the Apex in some catagories. At the time being there is no better sled overall than the Apex at least for my riding habits. I really don’t believe there exists a sled now or any time soon that will be the best at everything.
Of course my sled is for sale. Everything is for sale for the right price. I really doubt anyone would give me the money I’d like to get for it. I’d end up buying another Apex anyway at least for the time being. The Apex is currently the fastest 150Hp sled IMO but there are plenty of sleds that beat it. The 05-07 Mach Z comes to mind assuming the owner has it set up correctly and it does not have any on going engine issue. Problem is the 1000SDI motor while making great power and getting great economy has a very short life. The three that were in our group were unmodded and were all faster that the 3 Apexs in our group. You will notice that I said were because guess what. They all blew up between 2000 to 5000 miles on the motors. IMO they all handled better than the Apex as well but whats the use. They are grenades We also had an 800 Mach Z triple triple that was faster than the Apexs and fairly reliable but it was a relic with no suspension, it handled like sh**, weighed a ton and was a pig on fuel. I believe the XP will also beat the Apex as it matures if the Apex remains at the same weight and same power it is now.
Regarding the XP. I do not believe it is strictly clutch tuning that needs to be done and I don’t think I said that. Over the next few years I think will we see completely different secondary clutches, jackshafts, chaincases, gearing, chassis and suspension calibrations that will slowly bring forth the potential of a 154HP motor on a sub 450Lb sled. Obviously the power is there but something is wrong. They will eventually get it right.
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that I agree the Apex is the overall best high perf sled now. Its not the fastest. Its not the best handling. It has its issues but at the current time no other single sled beats it in enough catagories to make it a better overall sled.
Of course just my opinion.
Not trying to take anything away from my sled of choice---The Apex---for now
Click to expand...

I agree, with what you are saying, but you did not see Yamaha re-engineer anything to amke there sled run, since it's inception. The only thing they have changed in the last 3 years, was adding a rear cooler for the 09's and better shock valving. MY point is this.... When BRP starts being honest with their products and their customers, then it just might be lights out for the competetion. The last two biggets guns, they brought out have not lived up to the hype, they push for their product. (MachZ and XP). If they could only follow their ATV line and their (new SEA-DOO line, but not the ones of the past), then they would have good product.
 
What have you guys heard about that new Cat with the Turbo? Do you guys think it'll be a rocket or what?
 
Stock turbo AC ??? LOL
 
If you look at the shootout results over the past few years, there is not much more than 1 second difference between 600's, 800's, and 1000's in 1320' - now put those sleds on snow with different tracks and different weight riders and you are going to see all sorts of results - anytime I've raced on snow, the results are different each time against the same sled!!! - when everyone was studded, hard pack road racing use to be alot more consistent - I've beat the same sled consistently on hard pack then lost to it on snow and vice versa - too many varibles in snow racing - if you don't race at least 4 or 5 times against someone on snow, with someone other than the drivers starting you, you shouldn't even be on here talking about the results - anyone who's done their share of racing knows what I'm talking about - it is entertaining to listen to some of you though!!! :rofl:
 
rxrider said:
Stock turbo AC ??? LOL
Click to expand...

From what I have read on HCS, is that it's the real for top end, but the F1000 still beats it to a 100. If that's the case, who cares. You could buy a Simmons and do the same thing.
 
yammiman said:
If you look at the shootout results over the past few years, there is not much more than 1 second difference between 600's, 800's, and 1000's in 1320' - now put those sleds on snow with different tracks and different weight riders and you are going to see all sorts of results - anytime I've raced on snow, the results are different each time against the same sled!!! - when everyone was studded, hard pack road racing use to be alot more consistent - I've beat the same sled consistently on hard pack then lost to it on snow and vice versa - too many varibles in snow racing - if you don't race at least 4 or 5 times against someone on snow, with someone other than the drivers starting you, you shouldn't even be on here talking about the results - anyone who's done their share of racing knows what I'm talking about - it is entertaining to listen to some of you though!!! :rofl:
Click to expand...

Finally, someone with some common sense !!!!

By the way, my buddy's 800R walks by our Apexes from about 60-90 mph.
 
stoutner said:
yammiman said:
If you look at the shootout results over the past few years, there is not much more than 1 second difference between 600's, 800's, and 1000's in 1320' - now put those sleds on snow with different tracks and different weight riders and you are going to see all sorts of results - anytime I've raced on snow, the results are different each time against the same sled!!! - when everyone was studded, hard pack road racing use to be alot more consistent - I've beat the same sled consistently on hard pack then lost to it on snow and vice versa - too many varibles in snow racing - if you don't race at least 4 or 5 times against someone on snow, with someone other than the drivers starting you, you shouldn't even be on here talking about the results - anyone who's done their share of racing knows what I'm talking about - it is entertaining to listen to some of you though!!! :rofl:
Click to expand...

Finally, someone with some common sense !!!!

By the way, my buddy's 800R walks by our Apexes from about 60-90 mph.
Click to expand...

Do you race them with the clutching that you have in it for NOS? Or do you change it out?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

H
need more power
Replies
6
Views
1K
Honk
Honk
T
I beat a 06 Rev 800 HO. 2-TEK
Replies
3
Views
2K
Turk
Turk
Smokey
APEX GT vs Stock 04 RX1
2
Replies
16
Views
3K
Flatlander
F
welterracer
Raced a modded Apex...
Replies
10
Views
3K
Hammer 1
Hammer 1
fourload
800xp vs ApexGT on the lake
2 3
Replies
36
Views
6K
journeyman
journeyman


Back
Top