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Real World 1500 Mile Low Down of new Ski Doo XR-S 900 Turbo vs. SideWinder


Shagnos said:
Torque is how hard you crash, Horsepower is how fast!:hide: Have a good weekend! :beer:
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I must have had lots of torque and horsepower! Now I'm on winder #2.
 
Oh yeah I'm having a beer now.
 
Awesome! I just mowed the yard and going to put on the weed killer, I better wait for the wind to die down.

Maybe a Drag Race against the tractor is in order! Just thinking of all that TQ makes me want to line it up against the Winder out in the freshly mown field. I think with all that TQ the old JohnDeere can whip up on that lame old Yamaha Sidewinder! :sled2:
 
KnappAttack said:
Awesome! I just mowed the yard and going to put on the weed killer, I better wait for the wind to die down.

Maybe a Drag Race against the tractor is in order! Just thinking of all that TQ makes me want to line it up against the Winder out in the freshly mown field. I think with all that TQ the old JohnDeere can whip up on that lame old Yamaha Sidewinder! :sled2:
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Be careful out there! I heard there have been some Sasquatch sightings over Minnesota way, they have been going door to door talking political views!
 
74Nitro said:
"And more torque at any RPM makes more HP"
At the upper range of an engines RPM's, this situation simply doesn't exist. Where peak HP exists, like with an Apex engine, high torque doesn't. But it doesn't have to because, again, the definition of horsepower is the rate at which work is done. Therefore, even though the torque is low at peak HP, it is being accomplished more often because of RPM.
And that is what pulls your arms out.
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Think about what you just said,then do the math. 100ft/pds torque x 8500rpm = 161 hp 120ft/pds torque x 8500 = 194 hp. Sure looks like more torque = more hp. But you like rpm so lets make it 100ft/pds at 15000 rpm = 285 hp and 120ft/pds at 15000 = 348 yep more torque more hp. So what is your argument again?

Sidewinder makes huge torque from about 6,000 all the way to 9,100 before it falls off and guess what hp falls off with it. basically from 8600 to 9100 200hp on tap with peak at 8800 204hp torque being about 120 ft/pds give or take all the way till it falls and hp falls with it. At 10,000 rpm torque is dead and so it hp.
 
ClutchMaster said:
You didn’t answer my question because it proves you wrong.

I’ll answer it for you since your skirting around it.

Yes, an engine with only 100 ft/lbs of torque can be much faster than one with 150 ft/lbs of torque. It all depends on what rpm the engine makes it’s peak torque at.

No, an engine with 100 horsepower in the same chassis as a motor with 150 horsepower will never be as fast period.

You could take a turbine engine with only 10 ft/lbs, put it in a snowmobile and it would LAY WASTE TO THE BADDEST OUTLAW SLED RUNNING OVER 800 HORSEPOWER! RIPPING YOUR ARMS SOCKETS OUT, which is what really needs to happen so you stop posting jiberish!

So really engine torque numbers DON’T MEAN SQUAT it’s engine horsepower that makes a vehicle move fast.

So back to your first post in this horrific thread...

No it’s not! It’s horsepower.
You made a poor statement and won’t admit you were wrong and just keep going on about it.
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And the answer to the question you won't answer is yes at any rpm more torque = more hp. So if torque is not needed then lets try 0 ft/pd of torque times rpm = 0 hp. Boost torque at any rpm you boost hp.

I raced a few Harley's in my day with metric bikes. Light to light the Harley kicked my #*$&@ because of torque the pull off the line stretched your arms. My metric had to get way up into that narrow window on top to have any advantage but by then the next light came up and the race was lost. Really it was lost in the first 50 ft. See the whole thing started over the Harley thing and man them Harley's pull hard off the line. My statement was true in the context it was given but I have enjoyed the different twists you have tried to put on it.

As far as your 100 ft?pd verses 150 or your 100hp verses 150 goes you said same chassis only thing different is the motor. So lets take the 150ft/pds 100hp motor at 5000 rpm and clutch and gear it for that. Then now all we can change is the motor so lets take the 100ft/pds 150hp at9,000 rpm cause you like rpm and drop it in with no changes as you said and which one wins in 500ft? Or how about the 455 olds with 330hp beating the 440 dodge with 370hp? Best though is the sidewinder with huge torque at huge peak hp which proves more torque more hp and torque is king because hp is the result. Now the best is a 10ft pd turbine in a sled spinning at 100,000 rpm making about 200 hp with a 10 to 1 gear reducer. Yep I would like to see that.

You say I skirt around things but so do you. You try to prove that torque does not make hp but the math proves you wrong. Admit it! Or are you just talking out that brown hole you so fondly like?

Oh and I think the 900 T is a great sled right in the 150hp range I like. Just to keep it on topic.
 
Sasquatch said:
Think about what you just said,then do the math. 100ft/pds torque x 8500rpm = 161 hp 120ft/pds torque x 8500 = 194 hp. Sure looks like more torque = more hp. But you like rpm so lets make it 100ft/pds at 15000 rpm = 285 hp and 120ft/pds at 15000 = 348 yep more torque more hp. So what is your argument again?

Sidewinder makes huge torque from about 6,000 all the way to 9,100 before it falls off and guess what hp falls off with it. basically from 8600 to 9100 200hp on tap with peak at 8800 204hp torque being about 120 ft/pds give or take all the way till it falls and hp falls with it. At 10,000 rpm torque is dead and so it hp.
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Stating the obvious in a fourth grade math equation (HP= torque x rpm / 5252)
But still not admitting horsepower is king eh?

Understandable, I know the Sasquatch gene pool is very limited.
 
Sasquatch said:
And the answer to the question you won't answer is yes at any rpm more torque = more hp. So if torque is not needed then lets try 0 ft/pd of torque times rpm = 0 hp. Boost torque at any rpm you boost hp.

I raced a few Harley's in my day with metric bikes. Light to light the Harley kicked my #*$&@ because of torque the pull off the line stretched your arms. My metric had to get way up into that narrow window on top to have any advantage but by then the next light came up and the race was lost. Really it was lost in the first 50 ft. See the whole thing started over the Harley thing and man them Harley's pull hard off the line. My statement was true in the context it was given but I have enjoyed the different twists you have tried to put on it.

As far as your 100 ft?pd verses 150 or your 100hp verses 150 goes you said same chassis only thing different is the motor. So lets take the 150ft/pds 100hp motor at 5000 rpm and clutch and gear it for that. Then now all we can change is the motor so lets take the 100ft/pds 150hp at9,000 rpm cause you like rpm and drop it in with no changes as you said and which one wins in 500ft? Or how about the 455 olds with 330hp beating the 440 dodge with 370hp? Best though is the sidewinder with huge torque at huge peak hp which proves more torque more hp and torque is king because hp is the result. Now the best is a 10ft pd turbine in a sled spinning at 100,000 rpm making about 200 hp with a 10 to 1 gear reducer. Yep I would like to see that.

You say I skirt around things but so do you. You try to prove that torque does not make hp but the math proves you wrong. Admit it! Or are you just talking out that brown hole you so fondly like?

Oh and I think the 900 T is a great sled right in the 150hp range I like. Just to keep it on topic.
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Dude you are in complete denial, won’t admit that your wrong so you go on these rants that nobody wants to hear. With all kinds of stupid speculation on your opinion just to try and save face.

It’s a fact that lower torque engines can be much faster than engines with higher torque numbers. Apex is a perfect example.

Nobody is buying your BS!
 
Your stupid analysis that torque is king and horsepower is the result just is not true.

You must have both torque and rpm, they are equals in the equation!
(HP= TORQUE x RPM/5252)
It’s simple 4th grade math!

Horsepower is the amount of work done, no matter how big or small any of the other variables are it doesn’t matter!!!!!!

Torque and rpm are variables........
Horsepower is king!
 
Go find a squawsnatch and expand your gene pool, but please stop trying to argue proven science!
 
Sasquatch said:
And the answer to the question you won't answer is yes at any rpm more torque = more hp. So if torque is not needed then lets try 0 ft/pd of torque times rpm = 0 hp. Boost torque at any rpm you boost hp.

I raced a few Harley's in my day with metric bikes. Light to light the Harley kicked my #*$&@ because of torque the pull off the line stretched your arms. My metric had to get way up into that narrow window on top to have any advantage but by then the next light came up and the race was lost. Really it was lost in the first 50 ft. See the whole thing started over the Harley thing and man them Harley's pull hard off the line. My statement was true in the context it was given but I have enjoyed the different twists you have tried to put on it.

As far as your 100 ft?pd verses 150 or your 100hp verses 150 goes you said same chassis only thing different is the motor. So lets take the 150ft/pds 100hp motor at 5000 rpm and clutch and gear it for that. Then now all we can change is the motor so lets take the 100ft/pds 150hp at9,000 rpm cause you like rpm and drop it in with no changes as you said and which one wins in 500ft? Or how about the 455 olds with 330hp beating the 440 dodge with 370hp? Best though is the sidewinder with huge torque at huge peak hp which proves more torque more hp and torque is king because hp is the result. Now the best is a 10ft pd turbine in a sled spinning at 100,000 rpm making about 200 hp with a 10 to 1 gear reducer. Yep I would like to see that.

You say I skirt around things but so do you. You try to prove that torque does not make hp but the math proves you wrong. Admit it! Or are you just talking out that brown hole you so fondly like?

Oh and I think the 900 T is a great sled right in the 150hp range I like. Just to keep it on topic.
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Sasquatch said:
And the answer to the question you won't answer is yes at any rpm more torque = more hp. So if torque is not needed then lets try 0 ft/pd of torque times rpm = 0 hp. Boost torque at any rpm you boost hp.

I raced a few Harley's in my day with metric bikes. Light to light the Harley kicked my #*$&@ because of torque the pull off the line stretched your arms. My metric had to get way up into that narrow window on top to have any advantage but by then the next light came up and the race was lost. Really it was lost in the first 50 ft. See the whole thing started over the Harley thing and man them Harley's pull hard off the line. My statement was true in the context it was given but I have enjoyed the different twists you have tried to put on it.

As far as your 100 ft?pd verses 150 or your 100hp verses 150 goes you said same chassis only thing different is the motor. So lets take the 150ft/pds 100hp motor at 5000 rpm and clutch and gear it for that. Then now all we can change is the motor so lets take the 100ft/pds 150hp at9,000 rpm cause you like rpm and drop it in with no changes as you said and which one wins in 500ft? Or how about the 455 olds with 330hp beating the 440 dodge with 370hp? Best though is the sidewinder with huge torque at huge peak hp which proves more torque more hp and torque is king because hp is the result. Now the best is a 10ft pd turbine in a sled spinning at 100,000 rpm making about 200 hp with a 10 to 1 gear reducer. Yep I would like to see that.

You say I skirt around things but so do you. You try to prove that torque does not make hp but the math proves you wrong. Admit it! Or are you just talking out that brown hole you so fondly like?

Oh and I think the 900 T is a great sled right in the 150hp range I like. Just to keep it on topic.
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So what sled do you think wins the 500ft race?
 
Wasnt sure if it was a rhetorical question or real.
 
http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/power_and_torque.htm

Here’s a good article on torque and horsepower, scroll down to the examples and read about how a smaller engine with the same horsepower as a larger engine is faster because of the weight savings observed by the smaller engine.
I’m sure they are wrong tho, ask a squatch
 
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