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Just the facts friends just the facts,it is early though and the apex will get faster,but wont the attak too!! Now its only one ride that had any milage to it,but he could not out run me in the trails,no place in the trails was his gt quicker or faster,in fact mine was quicker off the line and out the shoot,but he did cover some ground on the upper end of the midrange than i caught right back up,so how do you guys account for the switchback 900 being faster than the fusion all last year thats a 144 vrs 121?????Rotax! said:sx7001, you are right, but there are lot of people on this board that think differently, but I just can't see how.sx7001 said:A 121 will outrun the 136 mid and top. Attak has the same power, less gearing and more rolling resistance = slower.
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Guys, in the trails it will come down to the rider with the ball$ to push these sleds to the limit, but out on the hardpack Attaks will get to see how nice that new L.E.D taillight looks.
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Wow i guess you missed the one where i said we ran them both back to back and even switched drivers,we got 109 gps readings and dream o meter readings of 123 -125 is that wide open hard pack enough for ya,this was plowed road,raced down hill and up hill,both sleds all stock,no studs i dont know what else to tell ya,except i told ya so.sx7001 said:Guys, in the trails it will come down to the rider with the ball$ to push these sleds to the limit, but out on the hardpack Attaks will get to see how nice that new L.E.D taillight looks.
121's will out run 136 inch track,i too noticed alot of people on here think different about that,why i dont know...its always been that way,on the trail they will be the same,but topend goes to the 121
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The traction of the Attak will get a good head start on the apex but may lose a little at top end. The long footprint of the Attak will ride better on the trails and go better in the deep stuff. My vote goes to the Attak unless all you want is a few extra mph at top speed.
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Lets say the 121 has 5 mph more on top (which I don't believe it does, 2-3 IMO), the Attak will get there quicker and then you'll back her down. Where are you gonna run WFO for any extended times anyways :ORC
The Attak will also be more stable at speed, this I noticed big time between my RX-1 and Warrior.
The Attak will also be more stable at speed, this I noticed big time between my RX-1 and Warrior.
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Where are you gonna run WFO for any extended times anyways
Ah, yes, an EXCELLENT point of common sense. Many just look at a sled's top speed, where for the most part, you will only reach on a lake or drag strip, not on the average trail. And in doing so, toss to the side the more pratcical attributes of a sled during their decision-making process.
But, in all honesty, I too am guilty of this, because I got the sled for it's cool name, "Attak"! j/k
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Been der dun dat. No way no how will a 136 stay with a 121. Had well tuned MM,s MSRX, & seen some very quick warriors but they won,t run with a 121 after 60 mph. Seen it time after time for a lot of years. I did buy a Attak tho.
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I don't know about you guys.....but for me there's not to many places you can go WFO ,i do it on the DOT trail right after a storm and it sets overnight......before they put salt on it,maybe three or four times a year.We don't have the lakes and such that some of you have.
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According to articles in both SnowTech and in SuperTrax, their testing found that there was little if any loss in top end with the longer 136" tracks versus the 121" tracks on the same model sleds. Reading between the lines, it sounded like they were surprised too.RED800 said:121's will out run 136 inch track,i too noticed alot of people on here think different about that,why i dont know...its always been that way,on the trail they will be the same,but topend goes to the 121
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Yup my feelings to,i thought i would have been beat by 5 sleds or better on top,but it just did not happen,and we ran many,many times,and like i said we even swaped sleds same results,and this was the reason i decided to go attak,vrs gt that i had ordered,last spring we tested both er vrs attak,gps varified speeds,same speed same road,i give up cant figure out why the attak runs w/them,but for what it is worth,polaris has the same set up,with there switchback 900 running w/and sometimes beating very good runnings fusions,and theres are 144s yes w/tiped up backs!!
The ATTAK has one less tooth on the sprocket I believe it is an 8 apposed to the 9 tooth sprocket on the RTX. Like comparing 3.73 gears to 4.11's thus the ATTAK will jump out of the hole but may not have the same top end.It's just in what you want.
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And why would the shorty have the advantage ...alot of Vector riders and other short track riders cant keep up with a longer 136" track...drag racing or on twisties or stutter bumps...dont underestimate the 136" believe me! :ORCy_guy said:I say RTX. the only reason is you say "fast trail" riding. To me the shorty has the advantage. You also say "lake riding". the shorty may have more top end. You don't say, "off trail" which is the strong point of the attak.
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I believe it is the 23 top apposed to the shortys 24 top both sleds have 38 bottom gears,under most conditions the gears used by any manufacturer is over geared,to better help w/fuel milage belt wear to a lesser degree,and sometimes overgearing hurts belts,it may just be mine is geared closer to my 1 to 1 than my rtx or gt..fatchance said:The ATTAK has one less tooth on the sprocket I believe it is an 8 apposed to the 9 tooth sprocket on the RTX. Like comparing 3.73 gears to 4.11's thus the ATTAK will jump out of the hole but may not have the same top end.It's just in what you want.
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136" tracks straighter(less fishtailing) which means it will handle better in loose groomed snow...stops faster for corners and grabs better out of the corners and it can handle highspeed stutter bumps for miles on end where the short track will but not as easily... :ORC and true better off trail too...to me the only advantage to a shorty is they are alittle less heavy and you can launch better off certain bumps(get more air) and more controlable while in the air because of being a less heavy- bulkier machine, also the short track may land better because of less wieght.
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