y_guy
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like someone mentioned above, i went to a doo dealer with a friend who was looking at the new Mach.. sorry to say but the mach was almost a grand more then the Apex i ordered. So right from the start you are almost $1000 in the hole.
YammiMoose
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I rode a Rev for over 600 miles after my 05 RX had issues. And I STILL ordered an Apex!
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4Fighter
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LOL - I think we should invite more ski-doo lovers to our forum 
SIMMER
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GOOD: Persoanlly I like the REV's. They are a blast to JUMP and they really are LIGHT. But that's all I like about them. It took me halfd the season but eventually I really liked the seating position.
RER....AWESOME!
Rear Skid......GREAT!
BAD: My motor blew after 2500 miles and I had nothing but problems with the ring gear and electric start.
I have said this before...if Yamaha built REV's with 4-stroke motors and no weight difference.......WOW! That would be awesome.
Imagine: A Yamaha REV 4 stroke that weighs 485Lbs DRY. Almost there!!!
RER....AWESOME!
Rear Skid......GREAT!
BAD: My motor blew after 2500 miles and I had nothing but problems with the ring gear and electric start.
I have said this before...if Yamaha built REV's with 4-stroke motors and no weight difference.......WOW! That would be awesome.
Imagine: A Yamaha REV 4 stroke that weighs 485Lbs DRY. Almost there!!!
Mighty
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I bet simich is gonna get an 07 Yami 8)
SIMMER
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SIMICH doesn't have the $$$ for a brand new sled!
Mighty
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When you see what's coming I bet you're gonna be searching for some $$Simich said:
2BLUE4U
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I'm gonna be pissed and happy all at the same time if the '07's are that much lighter/better sleds than the '06. I'm guessing minor changes on the apex line and the introduction of a new breed to replace the vector series sleds...lighter more sno-x, ditch banger type sleds. I don't think they will ever have a stock turbo though...to much $$$.
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That's what I'm afraid of, is in 07 coming out with an Apex with a turbo or Supercharger with 170-180hp. Then, I will be pissed, because I could wait till 07 if that was coming. I wish there was a hint about that coming.... 
but that is the only way for Yamaha to increase sales and that is to keep coming out with a better product every year
if this year yamaha is "ahead" of the competition i can't wait to hear what they are going to say about em' next year
if this year yamaha is "ahead" of the competition i can't wait to hear what they are going to say about em' next year
SIMMER
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Guys....a factory turbo is NOT gonna happen.
I was told by a relaible source that they are more interested interested in building a "Turbo Friendly" sled (FI Mappings, Plug & Play type of setup) than actually manufacturing them with a turbo.
Only thing mentioned for 07 were cosmetic changes and more gradual weight loss. the reason I asked is the same as everyone here...don't have me buy a 2006 then come out with a whopper in 2007. I am starting to seriously buy into the "3 year cycle theory" which puts the next major change in 2009.
I was told by a relaible source that they are more interested interested in building a "Turbo Friendly" sled (FI Mappings, Plug & Play type of setup) than actually manufacturing them with a turbo.
Only thing mentioned for 07 were cosmetic changes and more gradual weight loss. the reason I asked is the same as everyone here...don't have me buy a 2006 then come out with a whopper in 2007. I am starting to seriously buy into the "3 year cycle theory" which puts the next major change in 2009.
SledFreak
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3-4 years is good for me as well. Epecially in Canada, these prices are starting to be a little crazy.
Ski-doo10 (if ur not banned), if u beleave the "FACTS" on the Bombardier site what about these from yamaha-motor.ca?
Yamaha Snowmobiles
Q. Do 4-stroke snowmobiles weigh more than 2-strokes?
A. Generally speaking, a 4-stroke engine will weigh slightly more than a 2-stroke.
Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobiles also include electric starting, which adds some additional weight, but delivers the benefit of easy starts. Overall the 4-stroke sleds are within 6% of the weight of a competitively featured 2-stroke. This equates to less than a tank of gas. Considering that all modern performance sleds weigh in well over 500lbs with a full tank of gas and other fluids, the weight difference becomes quite negligible and the benefits substantial.
Q. Why did Yamaha choose to use 4-stroke engines in snowmobiles instead of developing cleaner 2-strokes?
A. There is far more to the 4-stroke story than exhaust emissions. The 4-stroke engine produces more torque than a 2-stroke within a wider power band. This 'power-character' added to the reliability and efficiency of the four-stroke has led Yamaha to develop world class, 4-stroke engines for sleds, bikes, outboards and personal watercraft.
Q. How much less would I expect a 4-stroke snowmobile to cost me for fuel and oil?
A. 35% better is an average. The actual range will vary based on conditions, speed and engine mileage. Generally speaking, the fuel range will improve as the engine reaches the 1000km 'break-in' point. The 4-stroke becomes even more efficient at higher speeds when compared to 2-strokes, which use the fuel charge to help cool the engine.
The 4-stroke only requires a periodic oil change, where any 2-stroke needs a constant supply of expensive oil that works its way through the engine leaving a cloud of blue smoke in the air or black drool on the ground.
Q. Why did Yamaha develop two completely new rear suspensions instead of just one?
A. Both suspensions were designed and engineered separately but with similar targets in mind. It became obvious that each had unique characteristics and benefits that suited different styles of riding and model applications. It was decided to develop both suspensions to offer a wider range of models with greater adjustability and choice for our customers.
Yamaha Snowmobiles
Q. Do 4-stroke snowmobiles weigh more than 2-strokes?
A. Generally speaking, a 4-stroke engine will weigh slightly more than a 2-stroke.
Yamaha 4-stroke snowmobiles also include electric starting, which adds some additional weight, but delivers the benefit of easy starts. Overall the 4-stroke sleds are within 6% of the weight of a competitively featured 2-stroke. This equates to less than a tank of gas. Considering that all modern performance sleds weigh in well over 500lbs with a full tank of gas and other fluids, the weight difference becomes quite negligible and the benefits substantial.
Q. Why did Yamaha choose to use 4-stroke engines in snowmobiles instead of developing cleaner 2-strokes?
A. There is far more to the 4-stroke story than exhaust emissions. The 4-stroke engine produces more torque than a 2-stroke within a wider power band. This 'power-character' added to the reliability and efficiency of the four-stroke has led Yamaha to develop world class, 4-stroke engines for sleds, bikes, outboards and personal watercraft.
Q. How much less would I expect a 4-stroke snowmobile to cost me for fuel and oil?
A. 35% better is an average. The actual range will vary based on conditions, speed and engine mileage. Generally speaking, the fuel range will improve as the engine reaches the 1000km 'break-in' point. The 4-stroke becomes even more efficient at higher speeds when compared to 2-strokes, which use the fuel charge to help cool the engine.
The 4-stroke only requires a periodic oil change, where any 2-stroke needs a constant supply of expensive oil that works its way through the engine leaving a cloud of blue smoke in the air or black drool on the ground.
Q. Why did Yamaha develop two completely new rear suspensions instead of just one?
A. Both suspensions were designed and engineered separately but with similar targets in mind. It became obvious that each had unique characteristics and benefits that suited different styles of riding and model applications. It was decided to develop both suspensions to offer a wider range of models with greater adjustability and choice for our customers.
4Fighter
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If you can prove to someone that the product they currently have, or are looking at buying, is not as good as something different or newer, and people buy it - then you stay ahead of the game from an OEM stand-point.
If you're satisfied with what you have, you stay ahead of the game from a consumer stand point.
I'm keeping my RX-1 - for a little while longer
I wouldn't be happy with a Ski-doo.
If you're satisfied with what you have, you stay ahead of the game from a consumer stand point.
I'm keeping my RX-1 - for a little while longer
I wouldn't be happy with a Ski-doo.
2BLUE4U
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Simich said:
I have pretty much followed Yamaha's cycle for the most part...
Started on an '89 Exciter (Sold it with 10,500 miles on it and ran like a champ)
Bought a '94 Vmax 600 (New model year I think...big improvement)
Bought a '98 SRX 600 (New model year,Should have bought the 700)
Bought an '02 Viper (New model year, Never should have sold it this year)
Bought an '06 Attak (New model year, Can't wait to have the four stroker)
With the exception of the RX-1 in '03 right after the Viper in '02, I would say there was very little, not zero but very little in the way of "ALL NEW & IMPROVED" in between these models. I think I have done very well and so has Yamaha as far as not pissing off the guy who put down big jing for the new and improved and then slap you in the face the very next year with something you have to have (Like this year). I've followed the 3-4 year cycle pretty close and I've been pleased with every sled.
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