snow trackers Bergstrom Tripples or Woodys doolys

[upei93]

And watch out for bare spots in the spring...at lower speeds they will dig in! BTW I have over 10000 km's with aggressive snow trackers and have never experienced any situations where they caused my XTX to flip or problems in corners...IMHO they go where you point them with no darting. My first set lasted 8-9 thousand KM's

 

[kviper]

You usually only need a little tweaking on the alignment, I usually just put a tape across and adjust the outer tie rod end's (need to un bolt them) to get to 0. Usually don't notice it on the bar's.

 

[Paraclete]

I checked out the ST site and they say to adjust strap and center shock. This is what I have now.

Front shock at about 1.5 out of 3"

Center shock

strap
I might be able to get one more hole out of it

Well I finally got them mounted and I am cleaning up the sled to go vroom vroom.


ST site says to loosen limiter strap to reduce ski pressure. I think I might be able to get one more hole but probably not much more.
I can also adjust the center shock about 1-1.5 inches. how did most of you set up when you added ST?

 

[KnappAttack]

You, don't have a center shock with a Monoshock suspension! You have the front ski shocks, and one monoshock in the rear suspension. What you think is the center shock is a transfer rod, not a shock at all.

You don't have to change a thing on a Yamaha or reduce ski pressure. Put them on and ride. If you don't know that those suspension parts are or do, you better find out prior to making changes. You can mess up the ride and handling pretty bad.

 

[Paraclete]

I agree I posted the pic of the transfer rod by mistake

 

[BADSLED]

And watch out for bare spots in the spring...at lower speeds they will dig in! BTW I have over 10000 km's with aggressive snow trackers and have never experienced any situations where they caused my XTX to flip or problems in corners...IMHO they go where you point them with no darting. My first set lasted 8-9 thousand KM's

Do you consider yourself and aggressive rider? Would you recommend staying with aggressive style or semi aggressive for your next purchase for Nytro XTX?

 

[korgull]

I had the snowtraker they work but you have a lot of undesired side effecr
They are heavy when you go in piwder they grip ang your track dig a grave and...whel shovel tim. That is because they make the ski point downward that slow you down and put your engine on load on my phaser this issue cause the temp light to come on often.

On ice they slip and you have no control.

On snow they work but they are hard to stee, in powder snow even harder.
If you are on ice abd you have a snowtracker that get in snow but the other on ice the sled will jamed like if you have hit a wall.

I did 1000 miles (1600km) thecwear bar was almost out. The carbibe brocken at 3 place. But darting was almost out.

Now i have bergstromskegs 8 inches triple points i have drove 4000km they were still in great shape so i kept them and put then on my new sled last january (a nytro) and drove another 2000km and they are still in good shape that is 6000km.

For the bergstromskegs to work properly they must be instaled exactly the way it is writen on the instruction. The shims that goes under the ruber block must be properly put in they are the key for this system to work. The shims keep the ski in the corect angle a ski when on a flat hard floor its carbibe should only have the rear touching the floor so when you begin to moove foward theccarbibe become all straight with the floor i think the gap between the floor and the carbibe is between 1 eightcto 1 quarter of an inch.
On ice you keep control of the front in an incredible way. On powder they are excelent.they are lighter on my older sled i got 10 miles per hor more top end that is because the load on the engine that the snowtracker did because of the skis pointing downward is not there with the triple point.

They are so easy to steer that you can do it with one arm.

So my conclusion is bergstromskegs are the best product availible.

I will also try the trailgrabers from bergstromskegs insted of studs this year.

 

[upei93]

And watch out for bare spots in the spring...at lower speeds they will dig in! BTW I have over 10000 km's with aggressive snow trackers and have never experienced any situations where they caused my XTX to flip or problems in corners...IMHO they go where you point them with no darting. My first set lasted 8-9 thousand KM's

Do you consider yourself and aggressive rider? Would you recommend staying with aggressive style or semi aggressive for your next purchase for Nytro XTX?

Aggressive...bought my second set of them last season. BTW not saying the other product don't work just don't have all the problems others mention. Just about everybody I ride with who has a Yamaha runs them, many on their second set with no problems. We get snow up here so that might be part of it, no real snirt until late spring and we know to watch out for gravel. Only thing I don't like is they are spendy!

 

[steiner]

The carbide that you use depends on the riding style. This is what I have experienced over the years with stock skis and my semi-aggressive driving style.
Unshimmed singles are great for putting around the backyard with. Dart terrible in the trails.
Shimming a single carbide is much better in the trail than unshimmed. The shim puts more pressure on the rear of the carbide to help reduce the darting but does not eliminate it.
Bergstrom tripple points with the ski saver and shim eliminate darting and have good bite in the corners when used in a 121 skid. Anything longer you might as well save your money and use a single.
The ski saver supplied with the Bergstroms lowers the carbide from stock position giving you more pressure on the carbide resulting in better bite in ice and hard pack.
Doolies are nice. You can cruise the trails without darting but can't take corners aggessively. They tend to push in the hard pack and you can forget about trying to turn on the pavement when going to get fuel.
Snowtrackers eliminate darting, pushing in the corners, let you turn on pavement and give you the feeling of power steering.The design of the deep carbide puts alot of pressure down on the surface and the side of the carbide also acts like an extra deep keel in the loose snow.
The best carbide/ski setup I have used on my machine is the aggressive Snowtracker with Yamaha mountian skis. This combo works well in all the snow/ice conditions that I have driven in. After driving over 400 miles with wpgwarior in one day my arms and shoulders felt relaxed, not sore and beat up.
The downfall of Snowtrackers are that they are expensive, they will cut the ever living _____ out of your driveway, garage floor, grass, a little tougher to load on a trailer without carbide guides installed and they do tend to collect rocks. But hey, why would you go sledding on these types surfaces.

 

[upei93]

Well said!

 

[Blue Dave]

Bergstrom 8" triple points with ski savers & shims work great for me. I am so happy with the set-up that I have never tried anything else. I got three seasons out of my first set and I have three seasons now on the second set. They are extremely durable, they corner great, and with the shims they do not dart.

 

[BombaPolaYama]

I have used Studboy 6" Shaper bars with my own ski savers and they worked very well and they lasted for over 10000Km - the carbide is still good but the bar is worn some.
The Bergstroms (8" I believe) are now on both sleds with their ski savers and shims and they are good as well but for the extra $ I can't see any improvement over the Shaper bars.