I believe, after 14k miles on two sets in Northern Wisconsin and The Yoop, and all thanks to the recommendations from others here, if you trail ride and don't agree, you don't have them setup right. You can ride any conditions without having to worry or deal with any handling annoyances. You can ride the sled as if it is a motorcycle on dry, prepped pavement. I bought an Apex last month and I am not even going to feel out the carbides on it. It is getting aggressive Snow trackers put on today as well as the Vector. I will say that you have to ride them with a purpose because they RAIL. This may be because I use aggressives. I feel they wear down and loosen up a bit closer to the semis, so why even bother with the semi? It's all in the throttle and your weight placement when navigating non-straight trail sections. Back off the front shock collars to drop the front, ski toe at 0, cat man suspension setup, limiter full loose or one hole up a, Dupont slides, 3.5in riser, and 13mm sway bar. If have never had a scary moment, but once in a while the U-Blade may catch an edge someone else's skis dug into a corner or where the groom is uneven. I wore a pair to the metal bar in one season last year (5k miles) and I thought they were still working fine. I checked at the end of the season as I didn't want to face how bad they were and potentially have to replace them late in the season, and just the metal bar remained. They still worked though