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this isn't about buying a new sled , this is about permit prices and getting non compliant riders on side . Read the past issues here in this thread .However if you feel like paying more I'm sure the OFSC will accept your donation
 

thunderbolt said:
this isn't about buying a new sled , this is about permit prices and getting non compliant riders on side . Read the past issues here in this thread .However if you feel like paying more I'm sure the OFSC will accept your donation
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Exactly... Well said. Its not about buying a sled. Its about the dollar amount for the trail pass and the quality of the trails. How do we entice new sledders to buy trail passes in a market that is rapidly declining. The question to ask yourself is WHY is it declining? Its been stated over and over in this thread.
 
I agree the price of the permit is not the only reason for the decline , however on last years free weekend the OFSC put out over 15000 free passes and on that weekend in the area I ride I saw tons of free passes on 2007 thru 2011 sleds , so clearly the permit price is a high priorty for the average rider . Also why else would the OFSC start dropping the price , do ya think the message is getting accross?
 
yamahas said:
IMO the price of the permit is not the reason why it is declining.
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Warm Winters have also been on the rise, which has contributed and also the cost of gas has been a factor... So, with that said, is that a reason to keep jacking the price? After 25 consecutive years of buying a OFSC permit, this will be the second year in a row where I will not.
 
I have heard somebody in the industry say that there seems to be a mental barrier at the $200 price point. Logical or not there are a lot of people that seem to draw the line there- kind of like the $40 case of beer I guess.
 
YammyRX1 said:
I have heard somebody in the industry say that there seems to be a mental barrier at the $200 price point. Logical or not there are a lot of people that seem to draw the line there- kind of like the $40 case of beer I guess.
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IMO, the barrier was really 150.00. That was when you started to see the real decline. Thats when Americans stopped coming over to ride and that was when Canadians started to trickle out.

Its obvious the new or current model is not sustainable in Ontario. The system needs a completely new model. I think they need to look at what the other durastictions (Province or State) are doing and go from there. Its almost like they need to shut it down and re-start all over again. It wont be pretty or easy..
 
So why arent people from quebec complaining at close to 300 a pass,and its not the tiny insurance coverage that comes with it that seals the deal,i guess i'm spoiled here with top notch trails and a long riding season so the 180 for me seems like a bargain
 
Take a look at an Ontario population map and see the most of the population and/or for the purposes of current and potential permit purchasers that riding out your back yard is not an option. Therefore if it does snow or doesn't, most need to trailer their sleds. This cost is in every adventure out. The permit price is better everywhere I go. Also for the ones that do not wish to trailer at all hope for snow and have been burnt by the ofsc many times on a higher than average permit price due to lack of snow or shortened seasons. But the OFSC chooses to lure buyers in with an early hope for snow rebate or we will stick to ya later attitude. Top it of with an excuse that there where some trails open elsewhere no refund and now the OFSC toilet is full and needs a flush. I hope they go bankrupt. Cheers Scott
 
pat the rat said:
So why arent people from quebec complaining at close to 300 a pass,and its not the tiny insurance coverage that comes with it that seals the deal,i guess i'm spoiled here with top notch trails and a long riding season so the 180 for me seems like a bargain
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My insurrance for my sled is 280.00 a year, no collision for my 2011 ski-doo 1200 gade. So in Quebec, its 300 all included, insurance and trail pass, correct? I think you really need to think about this for a bit.
 
One thing people are missing, is the value of the permit not the price..Families these days are a lot busier. 20 years ago I had no kids, no wife and a job that I could get out when ever I wanted..The price of the trail pass didn't matter because I knew I was going to be on the trails a lot.
These days I have two kids in hockey ( house league) a job that I have to work some weekends, and juggling everything else. Now I am thinking twice about a trail permit because I am not sure how many times I would see the trails. If the price was $75 $100 I might take the chance knowing I might not ever get on the trails, But $200 + just not a chance I am willing to take. Trail passes are well worth the money if you can get out all the time and ride, but if you can't get out not worth it..
 
Insurance for me is 360.00 a year full coverage per sled. I have two so permit price is 400 in Ontario unlike the 90 combined in Michigan. Quebec is one heck of a bargain. I have stopped donating to bull crap charities. I will garantee another fall in sales again this year for the OFSC. I really don't think that anyone who is involved or supports the OFSC gets it at all. My heart goes out to all the brainwashed souls....
 
And the Quebec trail pass insurance is just for $1 million liability. That's OK for an older sled that is not worth insuring. Your own sled is not covered so you need to get separate insurance for fire, theft and collision damage. I pay $160 liability on our old Ski-Doo so the $57 liability in QC is a bargain. That's because everybody has to take it with the trail permit. Those from outside QC can apply to get it refunded.
 
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