Warranty on slides?

[burgerbone]

Back to the slide issue...

The only thing the extra wheels are doing is preventing the middle of the slide from wearing down to their natural point quickly by extending the distance from the rail. If they only made the slides 1.5cm longer than the wear line nobody would even notice, but because they are about 2.5cm or 3cm everyone thinks these eat slides.

So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed .

Yamaha engineers are not dumb (minus the hand warming issue). Spending 50 bux on slides every 2000 miles is normal wear and tear.

We need a Seinfiled episode where Jerry runs his Nytro's slides down to the rails to actually see how far he gets.

I almost want to do a time lapse of my sliders wearing to proove a point.

I have yet to read a post where someone ran their slides down to the rails at 500 miles and had to replace the rails.

 

[AttakDog]

From what I have experienced they seem to have wear down very fast initially, but once they get to near the point where they look like they're going to need to be changed they stay there for along time. I have 1800 miles on my originals and they are still fine.

Same with me! They wear quick at first then stop.1,600 miles on mine no bigger wheels and some poor trails too! An easy way too check them is use an open end wrench. If you can get a 11mm open end wrench over the whole slide you are getting close. I can just get a 14 mm over mine. Look what's left when you change them. I went through this with my Attak and RX1. Ended up changing track clips because I changed hyfax too often loading the clips and wearing them out!

 

[bottlerocket]

I changed mine at 1500 miles and they were very thin a couple of inches in front of the front shock behind the curve. I have a wheel kit at the curve but it in between those and the factory inner wheels. With no snow to ride I swapped them out otherwise I would have finished the season Im thinking.

 

[pinksen21]

buy scatchers it will make them last a lot longer. It did for me.

 

[canoehead]

Back to the slide issue..
So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed


You really believe wheels produce more friction than sliders? I guess I'll have to delete all the physics I was taught when I was in the aerospace business. Oh and by the way not everyone is "adding extra" wheels. Some are just replacing a selected set.

 

[sleddingfarmer]

Back to the slide issue...

The only thing the extra wheels are doing is preventing the middle of the slide from wearing down to their natural point quickly by extending the distance from the rail. If they only made the slides 1.5cm longer than the wear line nobody would even notice, but because they are about 2.5cm or 3cm everyone thinks these eat slides.

So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed .

Yamaha engineers are not dumb (minus the hand warming issue). Spending 50 bux on slides every 2000 miles is normal wear and tear.

We need a Seinfiled episode where Jerry runs his Nytro's slides down to the rails to actually see how far he gets.

I almost want to do a time lapse of my sliders wearing to proove a point.

I have yet to read a post where someone ran their slides down to the rails at 500 miles and had to replace the rails.

Mine wore right through the slides, in about 600 miles. The aluminum was SHOWING through the slides, didn't damage my rails tho. That was 2 years ago with the bone stock nytro rtx se. Good snow conditions, none of our other sleds have had their slides changed in the last 3 years.

This year my friend on his 06 Attak and I (on my doo) left for a 2 day trip. Did 450 miles total. He put brand new slides on the day before we left, while I had 1200 miles on my originals. When we got back to his house, within the last 3 miles, the back half of his right slide ripped clean off his sled and was laying on the trail. My slides didn't wear at all the whole trip...since we had good snow conditions, best snow conditions in years actually.

Funny part is, he has 135mm wheels on his attak, in the stock locations. We can't figure it out...but I just blame all the extra weight over the rear of the sled...exhaust, heavy suspension, and 60 lbs of ice buildup. Fully clipped track too.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, I'm just saying that the slides don't stop wearing at a certain point for everyone. This is a stupid problem for yamaha to have, just like having handwarmers that don't work worth a crap.

Put 135mm wheels on the Nytro and now the slides seem to wear half-way down...and ride there forever. Just like my ski-doo

 

[revster]

Back to the slide issue...

The only thing the extra wheels are doing is preventing the middle of the slide from wearing down to their natural point quickly by extending the distance from the rail. If they only made the slides 1.5cm longer than the wear line nobody would even notice, but because they are about 2.5cm or 3cm everyone thinks these eat slides.

So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed .

Yamaha engineers are not dumb (minus the hand warming issue). Spending 50 bux on slides every 2000 miles is normal wear and tear.

We need a Seinfiled episode where Jerry runs his Nytro's slides down to the rails to actually see how far he gets.

I almost want to do a time lapse of my sliders wearing to proove a point.

I have yet to read a post where someone ran their slides down to the rails at 500 miles and had to replace the rails.

Please be aware that some of us have RTX short tracks that have a different approach angle then the XTX. You are talking about your XTX are you not? Apples and oranges.

While the XTX is still hard on sliders the RTX has it beat. The XTX in our group goes twice as far maybe 3x as far. I have a slider range of about 600 miles and my buddy with his 08 RTX went less then 300 miles before we were loading his sled up because he was all the way thru his and he was running on the rails.

.....and I think it would be Kramer that would test the limits of the sliders. Jerry's OCD would cause him to change sliders before every ride.

 

[yamahabandit]

I think it's a very brave man that would go out for a 2-300 mile ride with slides worn to " a certain point" and hope thats where they stay.

 

[mach9]

Back to the slide issue...

The only thing the extra wheels are doing is preventing the middle of the slide from wearing down to their natural point quickly by extending the distance from the rail. If they only made the slides 1.5cm longer than the wear line nobody would even notice, but because they are about 2.5cm or 3cm everyone thinks these eat slides.

So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed .

Yamaha engineers are not dumb (minus the hand warming issue). Spending 50 bux on slides every 2000 miles is normal wear and tear.

We need a Seinfiled episode where Jerry runs his Nytro's slides down to the rails to actually see how far he gets.

I almost want to do a time lapse of my sliders wearing to proove a point.

I have yet to read a post where someone ran their slides down to the rails at 500 miles and had to replace the rails.

Your view is valid to some degree.
But once you reach 75% of slides burnt off. You will have a certain amount of miles remaining to go, as your slides will continue to wear no matter the conditions. While if you run 135mm wheels your slides stop melting earlier. Lets say 50% gone.
You get a much bigger buffer zone for those week long trips where you might do 200 or 250 miles per day. 250 x 7 days = 1750 miles.
When you are on a trip do you bring extra sliders with you?
Are you prepared to do a slider change on the trail while all your mates razz you about your rice burner?

 

[yamahabandit]

Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. Farmer, what's wrong with getting frostbite on your hands on a sled made in 2008?

 

[revster]

Back to the slide issue...

The only thing the extra wheels are doing is preventing the middle of the slide from wearing down to their natural point quickly by extending the distance from the rail. If they only made the slides 1.5cm longer than the wear line nobody would even notice, but because they are about 2.5cm or 3cm everyone thinks these eat slides.

So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed .

Yamaha engineers are not dumb (minus the hand warming issue). Spending 50 bux on slides every 2000 miles is normal wear and tear.

We need a Seinfiled episode where Jerry runs his Nytro's slides down to the rails to actually see how far he gets.

I almost want to do a time lapse of my sliders wearing to proove a point.

I have yet to read a post where someone ran their slides down to the rails at 500 miles and had to replace the rails.

Your view is valid to some degree.
But once you reach 75% of slides burnt off. You will have a certain amount of miles remaining to go, as your slides will continue to wear no matter the conditions. While if you run 135mm wheels your slides stop melting earlier. Lets say 50% gone.
You get a much bigger buffer zone for those week long trips where you might do 200 or 250 miles per day. 250 x 7 days = 1750 miles.
When you are on a trip do you bring extra sliders with you?
Are you prepared to do a slider change on the trail while all your mates razz you about your rice burner?

It still burns. Taking heat from the boys as we do a P-lot slider change on my buddy's Nytro. After mine wouldn't start the day before. (Fuel relay)

 

[yamahabandit]

Revster, maybe you only think his slides were gone and the fuel relay was done. Been there with the fuel relay at 10 oclock at night alone in parking lot with windchill -35c. but thats for another thread.

 

[alsops]

slides

burnt a pair of regular black non graphite off last week after 5kms!
previous had 3000kms on..HP wide $5 more each well worth it..dealer replaced for free as they realised it was their error.
same nytro in with wheel kit and slides also burnt down after 600kms
They agreed the kit is not the real answer..kevlar sliders are they joked!!
The slides are the least of my worries..oil pan leaking, blown rear shock, fuel relay sensor and other little issues like no shock in stock in Canada might end my season on Nytro!
oh well riding my 01 600 SXR with almost 24000kms on it ...original everything except second track and 4th belt!...only regular pre and post season maintainance...they dont make them like this anymore..just like Toyota!

 

[YammyRX1]

Back to the slide issue...

The only thing the extra wheels are doing is preventing the middle of the slide from wearing down to their natural point quickly by extending the distance from the rail. If they only made the slides 1.5cm longer than the wear line nobody would even notice, but because they are about 2.5cm or 3cm everyone thinks these eat slides.

So now instead of running on your slides you are running on the wheels. So what do you think wears down now, the slides or the wheels? I can almost guarantee that there is now more friction from the extra wheels than from the slides. What does that mean, less speed .

Yamaha engineers are not dumb (minus the hand warming issue). Spending 50 bux on slides every 2000 miles is normal wear and tear.

We need a Seinfiled episode where Jerry runs his Nytro's slides down to the rails to actually see how far he gets.

I almost want to do a time lapse of my sliders wearing to proove a point.

I have yet to read a post where someone ran their slides down to the rails at 500 miles and had to replace the rails.

You're right, mine wore out in 300 miles! Just caught them before the metal wore but there was a hole.

 

[Grimm]

If slides were covered by warranty, Yamaha would have rectified the design of the suspension rails/idlers a LOOOOONG time ago. Right now, they are perfectly happy accepting money for folks who continue to buy sliders every few hundred miles.

Me, I prefer to ride my sled with larger idler wheels and keep a set of sliders on for a couple of seasons.