yox185
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The 09 model is a huge improvement over the 08 in terms of handling. That being said you will still probably have to tweak the 09 and up models. I added the Hygear shock and spring upgrades to my 09 XTX and it transformed the sled.
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Maxout01,
As everyone is stating, the Nytro can be a versatile sled. However, you have to tune it in to your liking. More than that, there are different set ups for the XTX, standard, RTX and RTX SE (now just RTX). I think you live near Speculator. If that's the case, as Rick at Village Motorsports to take one of his rentals out on the trail (he'll let you do it if you're considerting buying one). Plus, those guys are pretty good at setting up the sled to your liking BEFORE you take delevery of it. Just for the record, I moved from an Apex to a Nytro and don't regret my decision at all.
As everyone is stating, the Nytro can be a versatile sled. However, you have to tune it in to your liking. More than that, there are different set ups for the XTX, standard, RTX and RTX SE (now just RTX). I think you live near Speculator. If that's the case, as Rick at Village Motorsports to take one of his rentals out on the trail (he'll let you do it if you're considerting buying one). Plus, those guys are pretty good at setting up the sled to your liking BEFORE you take delevery of it. Just for the record, I moved from an Apex to a Nytro and don't regret my decision at all.
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IFlyEm said:
ya ya light and quick like a bic razor with a disposable motor Id be real concerned after a couple 2000 mile years if one of those sensitive electronics went down....only one place to get Doo
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sj said:
Exactly...the never changed the bottom end and it's still a weak link over 3000 miles.
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[/quote]
Exactly...the never changed the bottom end and it's still a weak link over 3000 miles.[/quote]
ya to me....why wouldnt they put a sealed greased bearing...with an external grease fitting...anything....but the fact this thing uses so little oil and has "oilers" for the crank scares me..
Exactly...the never changed the bottom end and it's still a weak link over 3000 miles.[/quote]
ya to me....why wouldnt they put a sealed greased bearing...with an external grease fitting...anything....but the fact this thing uses so little oil and has "oilers" for the crank scares me..
zeke66
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I'll offer up my experience which will reiterate much that has been said here already.
I had not ridden a sled in 15 years. I got the itch again and bought an 08 RTX leftover last year. I had zero idea how to toon a sled but after reading many posts here, I had my sled pretty well set after the second ride.
Things I consider MUSTS for an FX Nytro.
-the stock skis HAVE to go. One ride with them convinced me.
-you need to shim the ski mount rubber ( I wont go into it, many posts on it)
As for the sled, I consider it a great "all around" sled.
We hit all kinds of trails here in upstate NY. Some smooth and wide while some are moguls. The sled is comfortable on groomed trails AND you can blast through the moguls without killing yourself if you want.
I put on 1200 miles last winter here and 70% of that was in terrible conditions. It was a bad winter for sledding in Upstate NY. There is no doubt in my mind that, if I didn't have a sled that was so easy to go from sitting to standing, I would have bagged it early in the season.
TLDR: If you always have flat groomed trails, get a Vector or Apex. If you have a little bit of everything, get an RTX or XTX.
I had not ridden a sled in 15 years. I got the itch again and bought an 08 RTX leftover last year. I had zero idea how to toon a sled but after reading many posts here, I had my sled pretty well set after the second ride.
Things I consider MUSTS for an FX Nytro.
-the stock skis HAVE to go. One ride with them convinced me.
-you need to shim the ski mount rubber ( I wont go into it, many posts on it)
As for the sled, I consider it a great "all around" sled.
We hit all kinds of trails here in upstate NY. Some smooth and wide while some are moguls. The sled is comfortable on groomed trails AND you can blast through the moguls without killing yourself if you want.
I put on 1200 miles last winter here and 70% of that was in terrible conditions. It was a bad winter for sledding in Upstate NY. There is no doubt in my mind that, if I didn't have a sled that was so easy to go from sitting to standing, I would have bagged it early in the season.
TLDR: If you always have flat groomed trails, get a Vector or Apex. If you have a little bit of everything, get an RTX or XTX.
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Exactly...the never changed the bottom end and it's still a weak link over 3000 miles.[/quote]
ya to me....why wouldnt they put a sealed greased bearing...with an external grease fitting...anything....but the fact this thing uses so little oil and has "oilers" for the crank scares me..[/quote]
Buddy of mine has a 600 ETEC. That thing is overheating all the time. Constantly goes into limp mode for him, only 1200 miles on it.
ya to me....why wouldnt they put a sealed greased bearing...with an external grease fitting...anything....but the fact this thing uses so little oil and has "oilers" for the crank scares me..[/quote]
Buddy of mine has a 600 ETEC. That thing is overheating all the time. Constantly goes into limp mode for him, only 1200 miles on it.
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zeke66 said:
ya to me....why wouldnt they put a sealed greased bearing...with an external grease fitting...anything....but the fact this thing uses so little oil and has "oilers" for the crank scares me..[/quote]
Buddy of mine has a 600 ETEC. That thing is overheating all the time. Constantly goes into limp mode for him, only 1200 miles on it.[/quote]
glad you brought that up...someone told me the 800 e-tec has a low temp thermostat that when it hits a certain temp (not overheat I think) starts to retard the timing and lessens performance...anyone hear of this?
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sj said:
Buddy of mine has a 600 ETEC. That thing is overheating all the time. Constantly goes into limp mode for him, only 1200 miles on it.[/quote]
glad you brought that up...someone told me the 800 e-tec has a low temp thermostat that when it hits a certain temp (not overheat I think) starts to retard the timing and lessens performance...anyone hear of this?[/quote]
Never heard of it. So much hype following the 800 etec around... for a while there I didn't think anyone was going to get one..."parts shortage". Its almost like, everyone one who doesn't have one wants it to fail, so they can say, "I told you so"
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To answer some things here... I am the type of guy who buys a sled takes it home tears it down and does things my way. But this time around looking for something to buy new, do little too and just ride it. Sick of project sleds. As for all the doo comments, I agree the new etecs have a stupid design in that sealed bearing and are just waiting to go. But you guys are forgetting the 2stroke doos are not the nytro equivalent its the xr 1200 4tec thats doos answer o he nytro. I've heard a lot less complaints about the 1200 then I do on he nytro. I'm not brand loyal but do prefer to ride and own blue. But in all honesty my revs I owned previous to the apex were less maintaince, better on fuel, and overall cost me a lot less in parts then the apex. I'm not looking to buy a doo as I like the nytro better then the too light xp chassis, but I kinda feel like yamaha let me down again..I'm not rich so I cant buy a new sled and drop a #*$&@ ton into it.
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as to wanting it to fail Farmer .... before I got the turbo sled... I was a panty hair away from a 2010 etec 800 every dealer every tuner I spoke with couldnt reasure me as to the longevity and dependablity... I would love it to be YAMAHA dependable and am cheering it on...I think it has potential to be a true winner! Id jump ship even tho Ive been acused of bleeding blue maybe it would push yam to bring a dfi sled to the table too and us blue bloods would all win...
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I bought a Brand new 09' XTX
The only thing I have done was tighten the rear suspension.
3,000 miles this last winter 90% on trail. First ride took a little bit to get used to it. Definetly handled diffrent from the V-max600 I was coming from..
I have no problem trail riding day after day.. Snow conditions mean everything. low snow you will feel tippy, powder trails you will push.. A little driver input it will handle great.
I plan on riding alot more than last year.. I am not changing anything..100%Stock suspension..
The only thing I have done was tighten the rear suspension.
3,000 miles this last winter 90% on trail. First ride took a little bit to get used to it. Definetly handled diffrent from the V-max600 I was coming from..
I have no problem trail riding day after day.. Snow conditions mean everything. low snow you will feel tippy, powder trails you will push.. A little driver input it will handle great.
I plan on riding alot more than last year.. I am not changing anything..100%Stock suspension..
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The issue for me is I'm buying new. I'm sick of owning someone else's sled. So this time around the sled has to be great from he start. Doesn't sound like I will be on a yamaha this season. I'm pretty bummed about that but I'm not going to drop the ball on something when for equal price there's better products out there. If I find a great priced left over nytro then maybe ill try it, otherwise seems sled is inferior to its competition in more ways then not judging by a lot of comments made. I fully understand some work will prob make it good but that brings me back to my previous sentence.
LJ 452
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08' RTX shock valving is junk all around the sled. Somehow Yamaha manage to ruin the best part of the floats. So if you go 08' send all the shocks in for a revalve.
09' RTX I believe the fixed the valving but it never hurts to improve upon, you could probably ride it the first year stock and revalve/freshen up for year 2.
09' S.E. Stock valving will work for most trail riders. Thereafter is a fair amount of adjustment that can be made. Floats are near perfect and offer great tunability. With that I'm always on the stiff half of the clickers, if not blowing through them, so I'm going to stiffen things up a bit in hopes to get a mean shift in range. The rears are decent but I think a proper valve job would really suprise people in how much it can effect the ride.
Bottom line is 09' and up your probably just going to need skis for the first year. After that, you'll want to tweak it each year. Just don't think this sled will be maintenance free, compared to the F6 I ride with I've probably put more parts on than he has. Certainly replaced more rivets in the 4,000 miles compared to his 10,000.
09' RTX I believe the fixed the valving but it never hurts to improve upon, you could probably ride it the first year stock and revalve/freshen up for year 2.
09' S.E. Stock valving will work for most trail riders. Thereafter is a fair amount of adjustment that can be made. Floats are near perfect and offer great tunability. With that I'm always on the stiff half of the clickers, if not blowing through them, so I'm going to stiffen things up a bit in hopes to get a mean shift in range. The rears are decent but I think a proper valve job would really suprise people in how much it can effect the ride.
Bottom line is 09' and up your probably just going to need skis for the first year. After that, you'll want to tweak it each year. Just don't think this sled will be maintenance free, compared to the F6 I ride with I've probably put more parts on than he has. Certainly replaced more rivets in the 4,000 miles compared to his 10,000.
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maxout once you have a chance to try one your mind will be made for you. As far as getting a new sled and having to spend a ton of money on it thats not the case. The first few miles are a bit scary on it but once i changed a few small things that didnt cost me a penny like flipping the the ski rubbers and making some front shock and rear suspension adjustments it was a whole new animal. The only thing that cost me money was a set of ski's. $250..They make a great addition and all the difference in the world.
