which monoshock shock

[Srxspec]

The down fall of the Mega Float is that you only have one true adjustment (air pressure) with any other "mono" shock you have spring pressure to set your sag and then either the dial on the tunnel or the electronic adjustment, etc. I find it's hard to get the Mega Float to work well in all conditions and find a need for changes based on the type of trails you're riding that I wouldn't of made to the more traditional type of shocks.

 

[LJ 452]

Sounds like the Mega could use a revalve as well. The air pressure should be nothing more than an acting spring, a progressive spring at that. It would be interesting to see what Fox wanted to valve the shock like and what Yamaha actually ended up using.

 

[Super Sled]

It would be interesting to see what Fox wanted to valve the shock like and what Yamaha actually ended up using.

Amen! That is such a good point. I think all the Mono shock manu's get told by Yamaha what to valve it at. Those companies probably just shake their head but will make the shock to the customer's specs.

Yamaha has a target market in mind for each shock and pretty stubbornly (IMHO that is) has stuck to valve stacks to suit that target.

I guess maybe with the Mono in the past that target market has been a 70 pound, 13 year year old teenage girl who drive 35 mph tops (my step daughter) on straight, perfectly smooth trails wityh their Yammi, Lol!

But one issue I think Irv above also pointed out is that Yamaha has put several different springs in various Mono shock equipped machines. My 07 Attak GT came with a 6.1 kg/mm spring, but I know some sleds came with like 5.1 or 5.5 kg/mm springs, which are way to light for an average guy. But to then push guys into 6.5 kg/mm springs and 7.1 kg/mm "Big Boy"springs is way over kill, unless your valve stack to so terrible the rider needs that much extra spring to compensate. With an improved progressive valve stack a rider should simply not need more than like a 6.1 kg/mm spring unless they are a famr boy from Iowa or some thing.

Properly valved, sprung and set up the Mono can keep up with any other skid in the bumps. I believe it. Remember the history of the Mono -- Yamaha designed the Mono skid for Snow Cross racing. That is a fact. Last I saw those snow cross course were pretty bumpy with some jumps. IMHO guys have just given up on the Mono skid way to soon with out ever having a perfectly set up one.

My goal is to achieve that. I think I'm close and this year will be the year (and yes, my fingers and toes are all crossed as I type this with high hopes)!!!

 

[RTX]

Holy ruffled feathers, Batman! Some people really need to chill out. Nothing I said wasn't anything but true, was it now.

And RTX, I am very picky about my shocks -- I expect a lot out of them. Why shouldn't I be picky? I think a guy is entitled.

My Mono shock Ohlins is working better than ever now after I had it revalved and PDS installed. Good job at trying to pay attention to that RTX, but if you really remembered what I said it was that I still want it valved a tad stiffer, despite it just being revalved. This is due to my fast, aggressive riding style. And btw, that is my mistake for not communicating well enough what my expectations were prior to the revalve to the vendor. Once stiffened a tad I'll be satisfied. But in terms of performance and big bump handling ability I have experienced a night and day improvement. The shock is now capable and promotes confidence, which is what I wanted. But there is always margins for improvement.

But most guys' big complaints with the various Mono shocks (Ohlins, KYB, whatever) are bottoming out/ poor big bump performance. My point above was that most guys try to solve that poor performance with a larger spring on the shock. I subscribe to the thought that is not the best way to tackle the poor performance issue.

I do not think (and I know many shock guys who would agree), that while a larger spring will work to solve bottoming out, a larger spring is the best solution. Too large of a spring leads to a poor, rough ride. Rather, a proper revalve is what is the ticket, with maybe a larger spring if your larger. Yamaha did put some very small springs on some of the sleds. Mine came with a 6.1 kg/mm Ohlins spring, which is plenty for me.

My shock is also assisted by the PDS system from Ohlins (an installed hydraulic bump stop basically) will also stops bottoming out. Trust me. You cannot bottom the thing out with that part. But even without that I would not have gone to a larger spring. because a quality progressive valve stack in the shock should be all you need.

Look, whatever works for a guy, go with it. If you want the Mega Float, go with it. I have no issue with Fox Floats. Trust me, I love Floats. I have thousands invested in Floats. I have them on all my sleds on the front. And if necessary my next shock on my Mono suspension (if my Ohlins doesn't keep me satisfied) will be the Mega Float. And it will be with Ulmer's system. I've tried it and i do like the system. It's a pure genius idea.

But I didn't think it's supposed to be an on the fly system (which would be the ticket), I just learned that in Ulmer's post above. Shoot, an air shock with an on the fly adjustment would be sweet. I relied on that Yamaha and Fox tell guys to have the shcok at rest and elevated, so no pressure on the shock during psi changes. That's what I've been told in the literature for all 3 sets of Floats i've purchased anyways. But if the system works on the fly then sweet I say.

And also, I stand by my thoughts that the Mega Float is very succeptible to condition changes. For my riding, I wouldn't want the same psi in a Mega Float in the early am when the trails are silky smooth, to later in the stutter bumps (stutter bump performance is not a strong point with the Mega Float IMHO), then to the return home through large G Outs and moguls. And on the fly psi changing system would be awesome for the Mega Float on a day like that, where you could press a button and make pressure changes quick and easily. That'd be awesome.

dude the only one with ruffeled feathers is you.
I wrote 1 sentence referring to statements you posted and i get a 9 paragraph rebuttal.
the guy asked what shock he should choose and i gave my opinion. just like you gave yours
where did i lie? All i said is if you want your shock to work the way supersleds does then you will need to dump a ton of money into. and by your own admission it is still not perfect yet. is any of that a lie? did you get the revalve and pds for free? what's your problem?
If you re-read my post you will see that all i am ultimately saying is whatever you use for a shock you will NEED to dump some money into it to make it perform. i will be sending mine out for work this summer. i think i was pretty clear about that. I never said the mega was perfect.
act like a big boy and move on. I have

 

[Super Sled]

One paragraph related to you dude, one. The second one there. See it now?

Now, shall we get back to topic please?

 

[DAGE]

thanks for the responses guys but lets not get our feathers ruffled

I already decided that I'm just going to get a "big boy" spring and revalve the shock, I might add a remote resivoir aswell depending on the price, I'm just waiting for the guy at Shocktec to get back to me

 

[baggs66]

i have a ohlins with the 5.5 spring and the shock revalved to work with this spring, i'm just a little guy about 285.lbs lol. i can still bottom on some holes but i have the spring set a little on the soft side for my weight for comfort i could stiffen that up way more than i need, you need to let the suspension work a little, if you go to stiff your sled will be tippy and ride hard90% of the time, i would rather bottom once in awhile when i don't see a big hole in time than get beat up all day, if you see a hit coming and and lift yourself off the seat alittle you rarley bottom. i had my shock done by bruce at pioneer, i think the ohlin's are a high maintanence shock and the wire is a problem but they work well, the kyb will work well and cost less in the long run but i wouldn,t go as heavy as the bigg boy spring in most cases. hope this helps some.

 

[Alatalo]

I do not get it - where does this connection between soft spring rates and good comfort come from...? I have tested close to every existing spec for the Ohlins MonoShock shock absorber. The american as well as the european OEM spec. The american as well as the european aftermarket spec. The Apex as well as the Attak spec. In my opinion, the ones that offer the best comfort are clearly the european specs with 7.1 or 7.6 kg/mm springs...

 

[smoothride]

you are wright super sled about the air shock on the rear. i fine tune my M20 all day long on the fly.

 

[DAGE]

I have a feeling that I'm going to need the bigger spring because I'm stretching my sled to a 144", I also figured out why I was bottoming out, the spring was in the first clip...pffff

 

[snowbeast]

Holy ruffled feathers, Batman! Some people really need to chill out. Nothing I said wasn't anything but true, was it now.

And RTX, I am very picky about my shocks -- I expect a lot out of them. Why shouldn't I be picky? I think a guy is entitled.

My Mono shock Ohlins is working better than ever now after I had it revalved and PDS installed. Good job at trying to pay attention to that RTX, but if you really remembered what I said it was that I still want it valved a tad stiffer, despite it just being revalved. This is due to my fast, aggressive riding style. And btw, that is my mistake for not communicating well enough what my expectations were prior to the revalve to the vendor. Once stiffened a tad I'll be satisfied. But in terms of performance and big bump handling ability I have experienced a night and day improvement. The shock is now capable and promotes confidence, which is what I wanted. But there is always margins for improvement.

But most guys' big complaints with the various Mono shocks (Ohlins, KYB, whatever) are bottoming out/ poor big bump performance. My point above was that most guys try to solve that poor performance with a larger spring on the shock. I subscribe to the thought that is not the best way to tackle the poor performance issue.

I do not think (and I know many shock guys who would agree), that while a larger spring will work to solve bottoming out, a larger spring is the best solution. Too large of a spring leads to a poor, rough ride. Rather, a proper revalve is what is the ticket, with maybe a larger spring if your larger. Yamaha did put some very small springs on some of the sleds. Mine came with a 6.1 kg/mm Ohlins spring, which is plenty for me.

My shock is also assisted by the PDS system from Ohlins (an installed hydraulic bump stop basically) will also stops bottoming out. Trust me. You cannot bottom the thing out with that part. But even without that I would not have gone to a larger spring. because a quality progressive valve stack in the shock should be all you need.

Look, whatever works for a guy, go with it. If you want the Mega Float, go with it. I have no issue with Fox Floats. Trust me, I love Floats. I have thousands invested in Floats. I have them on all my sleds on the front. And if necessary my next shock on my Mono suspension (if my Ohlins doesn't keep me satisfied) will be the Mega Float. And it will be with Ulmer's system. I've tried it and i do like the system. It's a pure genius idea.

But I didn't think it's supposed to be an on the fly system (which would be the ticket), I just learned that in Ulmer's post above. Shoot, an air shock with an on the fly adjustment would be sweet. I relied on that Yamaha and Fox tell guys to have the shcok at rest and elevated, so no pressure on the shock during psi changes. That's what I've been told in the literature for all 3 sets of Floats i've purchased anyways. But if the system works on the fly then sweet I say.

And also, I stand by my thoughts that the Mega Float is very succeptible to condition changes. For my riding, I wouldn't want the same psi in a Mega Float in the early am when the trails are silky smooth, to later in the stutter bumps (stutter bump performance is not a strong point with the Mega Float IMHO), then to the return home through large G Outs and moguls. And on the fly psi changing system would be awesome for the Mega Float on a day like that, where you could press a button and make pressure changes quick and easily. That'd be awesome.

Hey supersled,is your sledthe GT,with Ohlins rear,if so i think stock size spring is 4.9 or 4.8,at least both apexGT's i had came with that spring stock.

 

[Super Sled]

The Attak GT/ Apex LTX GT versions had a bigger spring stock, a 6.1 kg/mm (6.0 n/mm) spring. The 136's just came sprung for heavier weight.

 

[cannondale27]

The big boy spring is not being used to make up for poor valving(although shock has that too) its being used for proper ride height/sag with LESS preload allowing a softer rate at the beginning of travel.

 

[Super Sled]

The big boy spring is not being used to make up for poor valving(although shock has that too) its being used for proper ride height/sag with LESS preload allowing a softer rate at the beginning of travel.

From what I know, that would be a proper use for it, yes. But for guys that are like 260++ in weight.

Guys, these are just my opinions. But they were formed from talking to some learned sources.

 

[cannondale27]

Would depend on the geometry of the suspension.Moving any point on suspension could have same effect.Similar to a M10 and night and day difference a 1/8in movement of essentially the spring mount location has.I would say that Monoshock has some pretty complicated geometry compared to any other sled suspension.Stands to reason that if valving was missed from factory spring could have also.Not much anyone can do about geometry.Gotta do whats needed.