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Who's using what oil?

I am really leaning towards using Schaeffer Oil the more I read about it the better it looks. Almost all other company's use a napthenic oil base because it is more plentiful and easier to process to make oils and oil products. Where as Schaeffer uses the paraphenic oil base which is less plentiful and more expensive to process. The end result is an oil that costs more but an oil that is second to none. Check out their website.
http://www.schaefferoil.com/
 

initial break in with regular Yamalube.....@ 950km i put in new semi-synthetic 0W40 Yamalube.....added half litre after 2500 hard miles.......changed oil and filter again @ about 3900 miles..........Not bad, half liter used this season.....probably get another 6-700 miles this season
 
I like the Walmart idea. These engines will last forever and if you use a full synthetic to early, they will not seat the rings. Too early may well be 10,000 miles depending on your driving style. These engines are so well built they take a long time to break in fully. Why would you want to go away form Yamaha's recommended oil anyway? They are the ones who built and warantee the engine. They know best, right?
 
that could be true......the reason i wanted synthetic in my RX was for cold starting...i'll be trading the sled long before the engine wears out.
 
Right why pay for overpriced hyped up oil at 4 bucks a quart, I had a quart of cw yamalube in my truck at -10 and it would barely pour,not to cw in my eyes.
 
Boston RX1 said:
While I was there I asked a service manager from a dealership about oil usuage in the 03's. Every word was measured and after talking with him for 20 minutes, he concluded that the reason I was using 1 quart in 200-300 miles was because I used Amsoil Synthetic. I told him that is probably one the best oil out there and that synthetic was superior to any other oil. My facts are that I broke it in just like the book. I changed to synthetic at 2,000 miles. I started using oil at 2,900 miles and I am using a quart every 200-300. I do not race. I do not run more than 100 miles an hour on the lake. I add oil when the light comes on. I think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out the dipstick. I have checked oil after the light came on with the dipstick sitting in well, screwed down, when the engine is hot and cold. He said I was only of two people that he had heard of that had oil consumption issues. Any thoughts? He suggested that I go back to Yamaha's oil and that Yamaha did not agree with using Amsoil or anyone else's oil for that matter. I suggested that Yamaha doesn't like when you use other people's oil is because Yamaha does not make money when we do that. I want to keep the sled for a very long time, but I am using more oil than a 2 stroke. One of the reasons I bought the 4 stroke is not having to buy oil. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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That rep is full of it. I ran yamilube for the first full season on my 03 which was just over 3,000 miles. I did not cosume any oil unil around 1,500 miles. I have consumed only a very modest amount of oil strictly depending on how I ride. If I would put 180 miles of hard WFO throttle riding I would burn 1/4 of a quart. If I rode with the wife and put on 180 miles of nice easy crusing 30-50 mph all day then the oil usage would be negligible. BTW I switched to Amsoil at 3,000 miles and it burns the same usage pattern as with the Yamigube. I also have an 05 that is still on Yamigube with 2,000 miles. It is also experiencing very modest oil consumption when driven hard for a long ride. IMO, I believe that part of the oil consumption is do to high rpm riding.
 
Shaf said:
Right why pay for overpriced hyped up oil at 4 bucks a quart, I had a quart of cw yamalube in my truck at -10 and it would barely pour,not to cw in my eyes.
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Why risk a rod through the case when you only change the oil once a year? I will buy the better oil you always get what you pay for.
 
New Yamalube 0W-30

When compared to an '03 with ECP, using Mobil 1 0W-30, I used 1 and 1/2 quarts less in 500 miles. I didn't have to add any after 278 miles except to top off 1/2 qt. when my engine filler cap backed-off.
 
I spoke to my dealer here in Poughkeepsie NY about the oil consumption issue. I was told Yamaha spec is the engine should consume no more than 1 qt in 1000 miles. That is ridiculous! The amount of oil consumed between oil changes should be negligible. Granted, we are spinning these engines pretty fast compared to most motor vehicles but 1 qt. in 1000 miles....... come on?????. My 03 has 5000 miles on it. It has the same usage pattern as others have stated: moderate touring/trail riding leads to VERY low, neglible consumption. Higher speed riding such as on the abandoned RR track trails in Quebec leads to using about 1 qt in 2500 miles but to me this is way too much. I wish we could collect a lot of data on this issue to see if the rings used in the 05 models are the answer. Changing the rings on this engine is a real pain since you have to split the crankcase halves. I'd be perfectly happy to do this on my engine (and for only the cost of the parts for anyone else) if I knew this was the answer. I've rebuilt dozens of engines and have always had acceptable oil consumption, i.e. neglible, as a result. The dealer also told me they see the same oil consumption in the Yamaha 4 stroke watercraft. I do not believe the manufacturer of the oil has anything to do with it. I was going to try using 10-30W rather than the 0-40W for the same reason LB stated but did not do any riding this year. I plan on keeping my 03 so I may change the rings to the part no used in the 05.
 
Boston RX1 said:
I went to the show today, the 06's are very nice sleds. I like the feel of them. While I was there I asked a service manager from a dealership about oil usuage in the 03's. Every word was measured and after talking with him for 20 minutes, he concluded that the reason I was using 1 quart in 200-300 miles was because I used Amsoil Synthetic. I told him that is probably one the best oil out there and that synthetic was superior to any other oil. My facts are that I broke it in just like the book. I changed to synthetic at 2,000 miles. I started using oil at 2,900 miles and I am using a quart every 200-300. I do not race. I do not run more than 100 miles an hour on the lake. I add oil when the light comes on. I think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out the dipstick. I have checked oil after the light came on with the dipstick sitting in well, screwed down, when the engine is hot and cold. He said I was only of two people that he had heard of that had oil consumption issues. Any thoughts? He suggested that I go back to Yamaha's oil and that Yamaha did not agree with using Amsoil or anyone else's oil for that matter. I suggested that Yamaha doesn't like when you use other people's oil is because Yamaha does not make money when we do that. I want to keep the sled for a very long time, but I am using more oil than a 2 stroke. One of the reasons I bought the 4 stroke is not having to buy oil. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I use Amsoil 0w40 four-stroke synthetic. The sled was broken in by the book and went to the Amsoil at 600 miles. At 1200 miles, I had to add maybe 2-3 ounces... This engine is so super quiet with the synthetic that it surprised me...and I have been running synthetic in everything I own for 20+ years.

Bottom Line: Anybody who told you that your oil consumption results from your brand of oil or the fact that it is synthetic is ignorant.
 
Red2003 said:
I like the Walmart idea. These engines will last forever and if you use a full synthetic to early, they will not seat the rings. Too early may well be 10,000 miles depending on your driving style. These engines are so well built they take a long time to break in fully. Why would you want to go away form Yamaha's recommended oil anyway? They are the ones who built and warantee the engine. They know best, right?
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:D Say what? These close tolerance high performance engines of today are broken in well within the break-in schedule profiled by the manufacturer... That means 500 miles...not 10,000+.

Why would someone want to *go away* from Yamaha's recommended oil? Well for starters...it's inferior oil. Secondly it is premium priced. That means instead of paying a premium price for a oil with superior lubrication chemistry profile...you are paying a premium price because it says the letters Y a m a h a stamped on the bottle. Corporate profits are what it is all about. Yamaha makes motor sports equipment. They are not an oil manufacturer. When you want to buy bread...you go to a baker...not a butcher...
 
I am running Mobil 1. The Hacker's tech told me synthetic will unseat the rings, and others have made claims about synthetic that are laughable. I am using a quart every 300 miles.

I have decided that there is nothing magical about any oil. I have friends putting big miles on cars and trucks using regular oil, and changing at the proper intervals. One toyota pickup has 400k with no engine problems.

I will be using the oil that Yamaha recommends in my Apex, and am switching all my vehicles back to regular oil.
 
Stormbringr1 said:
:D Say what? These close tolerance high performance engines of today are broken in well within the break-in schedule profiled by the manufacturer... That means 500 miles...not 10,000+.
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Nope. 500 miles is not the breakin distance. Its the safe-to-sustain distance. Proven by the fact that they keep getting stronger up to about 1500 miles. That means that the full breakin is probably about 2000 miles.
 
I use Yamaha's Synthetic 5w30 for the first oil change but I would like to use Mobil 1 for the same reason that LB described, higher molecular cohesion though a wider temperature range.
 
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