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yamaha vs cat?


Thank you BBY2K, those are wicked fast sleds. Funny thing, they do not seem to run that fast even tho they are :) guess you will have to see them in person to really know what they can do :)
They do have awesome pull that's for sure.
Competition is nice.
 
well were all trail sleds and from what i heard last night at the local watering hole was when he found out that i would do my best to get mine out and ready for next weekend( wich looks good now) he was changing his tune,, so if he now has dobt it will be close,, he was whinning that he didnt expect to run mine,, and the boys saw him on the lake later in the day and just didnt seem fast, were not sure what he has done ,, he is such a bullshitter no one will ever know , lol
 
rxrider said:
Guess that neither Big Firecat's or the 12kD&D are real trail sleds so we may have to up the 4stroke to a race turbo system to spank them 2smokers, the smokers are fast no doubt.
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Giving the circumstances I believe Glenn's D&D/Boondocker F1200 Turbo could hold its own on the trail scene as this is not a sled that simply makes a run then needs to be towed back to the pits to cool, it is a true lake racer in production chassis form, yet weight is weight, don't know how you can compare his sled or Ted J's sled to a 430 pound sled of OSP...could be interesting though.

Many of us sat back and listened for the past few years that the 2-stroke turbo applications are a waste of time and that all we do is run 'em and rebuild engines for the following weekend.

As other members have stated on here that "2-stroke turbo technology" has come far in advancements in the last few years. When in fact the technology has been here for the past 10-years, however, very few have taken the time and trial/ error to fix and study the wrongs and simply thru in the towel and proclaimed these sleds "junk". Problems included inferior designed turbo kits, poor fuel, piston/head design, ignition, and under-sized turbos (i.e. excessive back pressure).

We've now had great success with our 2-stroke turbo sleds, pound for pound of boost we are making more h.p. than many 4-strokes as well as being able to join the 400 h.p. club with 17-20 pounds of boost. We are seeing reliabilty and longivity on these boosted smokers.

I am not posting this reply to cause trouble or fighting on here but rather the reality check that the 2-stroke turbos aren't the pile of junk that many have proclaimed. In fact after reading 75% of these post it seems that the 4-stroke turbos have plenty of problems of there own. Some costing much $$$$$.
 
Quad - I don't think the smokers on turbo are junk, I have never said that as far as I can remember.
No, the turboed 4strokes are not problem free, but they can be if taken care of.
I agree that the 2strokes on turbo are fast.
I will not try to compare anything, I just assumed BigFirecats sled was designed for racing down the drag strip 660 ft and a 4stroker would need a well tuned race turbo setup to beat it.

I know for a fact that the 2strokes on turbo can be fast. Last years Norwegian open fuel unlimited champion was a 2stroke AC with a home made turbo system "only putting out 320 HP". He ran 5.7 sec ET in 660 ft on snow unstudded. The 4 stroke competiton could not touch him even running 500+ HP. The right amount of HP for the traction in the championship did it for the AC guy.

BTW - I'm actually glad we are not alone running high HP trail turbos anymore. The last few years we have been racing each other, noone from the competition wants to race us anymore :) Bring them on, if I loose I'll do it with a smile :)

Think snow and happy trails to all, let it ******* snow.
 
No problem! I realize that you never quoted 2-strokers to be junk, wasn't naming anyone in particular. I was just stating that Glenn's sled is very close to being a sled that can be rode or ripped around on the lake for the day, its not just one demensional... I guess from there I just vented about the whole 2-stroke issue as I've read from past post on here about the 2-stroke turbo sleds "being a time bomb", inferior, and a waste of time. Seems as some are beginning to change their opinions about the topic. Sorry for any hi-jacking of this post or if I deverted it off topic. Thanks and be safe!

EDIT!!! Hopefully some of you guys will make the Lakewood's Weenie Roast in March, it would be nice to meet some of you and check out your Turbo sleds in person!
 
rxrider said:
Guess that neither Big Firecat's or the 12kD&D are real trail sleds ...
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I have to add that Big Firecat's f1000 got rode on the trails to the Old Forge Trail shootout this past weekend, per the rules. So what do you consider a real trail sled? I have to hand it to him, they stepped in to a Yamaha event and impressed alot of us.
Vince, I'll take that thing for a blast anytime...
 
:) all is good then :)

A trial sled should be able to run pump gas :)

I'm impressed with the turboed 2strokes as well :)

I wanna ride the F1000 too :)
 
rxrider said:
:) all is good then :)

A trial sled should be able to run pump gas :)

I'm impressed with the turboed 2strokes as well :)

I wanna ride the F1000 too :)
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I have to confess that I had the same view about pump gas for a trail machine until I attended the Shootout in Old Forge this weekend. I was floored with how many guys are riding the trails with 50/50 racegas / pump gas.
So I am not sure now... I know I can't afford $70 for a 5 gallon can of C12 all the time, but I suppose that is a drop in the bucket when your riding a big $$$ sled anyhow.
 
mbarry you are more than welcome to take my F1000 for a ride, I run 4 gallons of pump gas to 1 gallon of 110 fuel and the 1 gallon is to just make sure everything will be good at about 1000ft with it
 
Big Firecat said:
mbarry you are more than welcome to take my F1000 for a ride, I run 4 gallons of pump gas to 1 gallon of 110 fuel and the 1 gallon is to just make sure everything will be good at about 1000ft with it
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I fully understand that way of thinking, better safe than sorry. Detonation can and will piss in your Cheerios all too many times! Especially with the questionable pump gas we sometimes are getting around here.
Sorry I didn't get over to talk to you on the lake Sat, you looked pretty occupied. We'll chat sometime soon.
Thanks,

Mory
 
I seen a Cat do amazing in Revelstoke this last weekend. He was running 10 psi boost and straight C16 and this thing was walking up some impressive bowls. It was a 3 to 4 foot of fresh snow conditions and I was impressed.
 
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