2009 rs venture wont turn over

[corey miskolczi]

I replaced starter solenoid and it still clicks but starter does nothing. The fuse on the solenoid is good. Battery is at 12.4 volts. When i turn the key to try to start it there is only 4.2 volts going to the starter from the solenoid. What could be the problem?

 

[Roger]

Measure the voltage on the remote battery leads, when you try to start it.
If it also drops to 4.2 volts, your battery needs replacement.

 

[J1635]

not necessarily, do you have a load tester you can put on the battery and see if its good? Its sounds to me like your starter gear is seized or frozen, if its stuck and your trying to start it, it will drop the voltage

 

[Roger]

If your starter is seized, your fuse should blow, that's why there is a fuse, rather than melting all your wires.
You can't even get at the battery, let alone put a load tester on it. How is he supposed to test the battery? Take the sled apart, take the battery out, put the sled back together, and connect the battery to the remote leads?
Stupid Engineers and their placement of the battery!!!!

 

[4strokeluvr111]

If your starter is seized, your fuse should blow, that's why there is a fuse, rather than melting all your wires.
You can't even get at the battery, let alone put a load tester on it. How is he supposed to test the battery? Take the sled apart, take the battery out, put the sled back together, and connect the battery to the remote leads?
Stupid Engineers and their placement of the battery!!!!

Roger - go to a Poo, Doo or Cat dealer and have them show you where their batteries are located. They're all trying to stuff everything into the smallest envelope possible. Look where the Viper battery is.....great idea unless you live in a uber cold area like Yellowknife does. But then all you gotta do is add battery heaters and it's all good.

 

[J1635]

If your starter is seized, your fuse should blow, that's why there is a fuse, rather than melting all your wires.
You can't even get at the battery, let alone put a load tester on it. How is he supposed to test the battery? Take the sled apart, take the battery out, put the sled back together, and connect the battery to the remote leads?
Stupid Engineers and their placement of the battery!!!!

Lol your kidding me right? There's 2 wires right beside the air box for jump starting. As long as he isn't turning the key over while load testing it why couldn't you take a reading from there? Disconnect the cdi and the voltage regulator to ensure no interference. And fuses prevent melting in the event of a short circuit. Simply engaging a stuck starter momentarily won't pop a fuse unless you keep it in the circuit, it's gonna heat the wiring up eventually but for the first little while it's not melting anything

 

[corey miskolczi]

The sled is in a heated shop. I cleaned the ground cable going to the block. Voltage goes still goes down to 4.2 when tried to start. When trying to start the wires will get a little hot but wont blow the fuse. Im thinkin its the starter. ????

 

[grizztracks]

The starter is not fused. When the starter relay contacts close the starter is connected directly to the battery. You can load test a battery off of the jumper leads but it sounds to me like you have a bad starter. The magnets probably came loose inside the start and locked it up. I've seen this happen several times with these starters.

 

[engineman]

You could try - with all power OFF - turning the engine in the proper direction by hand at the clutch to make sure the engine is free. Then try to turn the engine by hand in the opposite direction and you should be able to hear the starter motor turn with more effort to turn. If you can't turn the engine backwards with some effort Grizz probably nailed it with the locked up starter motor, or possibly the starter clutch inside the motor came apart and locked things up.

Good luck!

Steve

 

[grizztracks]

Never turn these engines in the opposite direction. 4 stroke engines are designed to rotate in one direction and reversing that direction can cause damage to the engine.

 

[engineman]

Never turn these engines in the opposite direction. 4 stroke engines are designed to rotate in one direction and reversing that direction can cause damage to the engine.

I agree with you in principle - turning it over a number of times in the opposite direction may cause problems. I was suggesting a slight rotation in the opposite direction just to see if the starter motor or starter clutch is locked up as an easy test before digging further into the sled.

 

[Vectornut]

Grizz, When you turn the motor backward by hand, does the damage come from the timing jumping and then causing valves to hit the pistons?

 

[Roger]

Lol your kidding me right? There's 2 wires right beside the air box for jump starting. As long as he isn't turning the key over while load testing it why couldn't you take a reading from there? Disconnect the cdi and the voltage regulator to ensure no interference. And fuses prevent melting in the event of a short circuit. Simply engaging a stuck starter momentarily won't pop a fuse unless you keep it in the circuit, it's gonna heat the wiring up eventually but for the first little while it's not melting anything

Lol your kidding me right? There's 2 wires right beside the air box for jump starting. As long as he isn't turning the key over while load testing it why couldn't you take a reading from there? Disconnect the cdi and the voltage regulator to ensure no interference. And fuses prevent melting in the event of a short circuit. Simply engaging a stuck starter momentarily won't pop a fuse unless you keep it in the circuit, it's gonna heat the wiring up eventually but for the first little while it's not melting anything

LMAO I guess you've never heard of a DC Amprobe?????, and not a Canadina Tire Load Tester!! HA HA HA!!!

 

[grizztracks]

I agree with you in principle - turning it over a number of times in the opposite direction may cause problems. I was suggesting a slight rotation in the opposite direction just to see if the starter motor or starter clutch is locked up as an easy test before digging further into the sled.

Once again, never turn the engine in the reverse direction. Any rotation in the wrong direction is taking a chance on putting slack in the timing chain which can result in it jumping time and possibly destroying the engine. Reverse rotation puts a lot of pressure on the chain tensioner and with the light weight chain and gears along with the design of the dual cams it doesn't take much for the chain to jump teeth on the gears. Being that Yamaha runs interference engines it's critical to keep them timed correctly. If you've every timed one of these engines you'd realize the issues that reverse rotation presents.

 

[J1635]

LMAO I guess you've never heard of a DC Amprobe?????, and not a Canadina Tire Load Tester!! HA HA HA!!!

lol what the hell are you even talking about?

the point i made here is you can put a LOAD TESTER on the jump start connections that on the sled without removing anything to get to it. You dont know the impedance of the engine while starting nor do you have a resister that simulate a load so a DC voltmeter is useless


lmao, i just read your post again. i don't think you know what a load test is. just because a battery has a 12v+ reading doesnt mean its good. a voltmeter doesnt measure the current flow ability of a battery properly on its own. a load tester simulates what the engine does and forces the battery to work. which tells you the healthyness of the juicy goodness inside