2010 products feb 12th

[fourload]

Amen to 40 or 50 lbs lighter with 20 to 25 more hp.

 

[mmax700]

Apex Mountain/Nytro Mountain with SC ??

 

[Bluebullet]

I heard American snowmobiler mag has outlined some of the changes for 2010, Has anyone seen one yet? website won't let me look unless you subsribe.

 

[wideopenorbroke]

So were is the info and pics of the new models I thought they should be out by the January 12. The mag write up was vag and just talked about going back to 4 valve and maybe a triple in the apex class and Ycc-t chp controlled throttle fly by wire.A new throttle body controler.

 

[timebomb]

i'm just guessing but based on yamahas past and replacing the musclesled with the next latest and greatest i think the next apex won't be anymore than 10 more hp. vmax4 -->srx = less than 10hp, srx -->rx1 = less than 10hp, rx1 --> apex = less than 10hp, apex --> ? = probably no more than 10hp. i would actually like to see the new efi 120 in the venture GT go across the board for the vectors. perfect sled to replace my viper with for my gf. we'll see very soon

 

[nate007]

If the bashing continues towards any other member or brand, I'll lock it up.. Lets keep it on topic please.

 

[rightarm]

The OSP had FX Nytro belly pans & hoods, but beyond that it was far from a FX Nytro chassis (it was all hand built tube frame, etc no original FX Nytro chassis parts). So OSP stuffing an Apex motor under the plastic of an FX Nytro is kind of meaningless. I kinda hope they stick with the Apex body type but put it on a diet and give it an extra 20-25 hp! 40-50 lbs lighter and even 15-20 hp more would be a winning combination!

X2

 

[GIMME SNOW]

I heard American snowmobiler mag has outlined some of the changes for 2010, Has anyone seen one yet? website won't let me look unless you subsribe.

This is from AM Smow....

Yamaha - Yamaha has flooded the snowmobile market with a tsunami of new technology the past few years. By analyzing when, what and how it has brought technologies into the snowmobile market, we're able to predict what we may see from Yamaha in 2010, or beyond.
A perfect example of Yamaha introducing new technology into snowmobiling was its launching of the RX-1 in 2003. Yamaha stuck its neck out and built a 4-stroke sled when the market was married to the 2-stroke. Yamaha released the RX-1 the same year that Arctic Cat launched the Firecat and Ski-Doo expanded its REV line.
Yamaha engineers are good at adapting technology and manufacturing derived from other product lines, like motorcycles and ATVs, to snowmobiles. The RX-1, featuring a 4-stroke engine and Deltabox chassis, has DNA from its R1 sport motorcycle. This wasn't new for Yamaha. It has been adapting cycle technology to snowmobiles since 1968 when it produced its first sled; the SL350. Like the RX-1 and many other Yamahas, that '68 SL350 used an engine based on a motorcycle engine.
If we follow Yamaha's fairly predictable trend of introducing a new sled model each year, it's a pretty safe bet we'll see yet another new model for 2010. Will the Apex be replaced? A 3-cylinder may be a better fit for a snowmobile than a 4-cylinder because triples are lighter and better balanced. Yamaha has both a 3- and 4-cylinder engine available, so putting a 3-cylinder into Apex would be doable. That said, Yamaha has more 4-cylinder technology just because 4-cylinder engines are a staple in sport motorcycles.
Given Yamaha's movement away from 5-valve technology on multi-cylinder engines, any new sled engine will likely feature 4 valves per cylinder. Yamaha returned to the 4-valve per cylinder format probably because any horsepower advantage gained from the extra valve was not greater than the horsepower loss that came from more mass in the valvetrain and loss in compression.
Yamaha's Chip Controlled Throttle (YCC-T) or fly-by-wire throttle technology will likely debut in a sled soon. Yamaha has been using this technology for several years on the R6 motorcycle and recently the R1. YCC-T means there is no cable opening and closing the throttle bodies, instead they are electronically controlled. This has several benefits, probably the biggest being that the computer can control the throttle bodies to meet different riding conditions.
YCC-T allows Yamaha to offer variable throttle control too, which gives the rider the option of switchable throttle characteristics for different riding situations. Different throttle modes may not have as much of an application on the snow as it does on dirt and street, but Yamaha could use it on sleds.
In addition Yamaha also has new air intake systems. It recently released Yamaha Chip Controlled Intake (YCC-I) technology on motorcycles. YCC-I varies the intake tract length for excellent cylinder filling and a broader power band.
A new Yamaha sled will almost certainly use a CF die-cast frame as well. Yamaha has been using this on snowmobiles since the RX-1 and has increased its use across its product lines. CF die-cast frame manufacturing allows Yamaha to build complex and contoured frames that are strong, light and rigid.
If Yamaha decides to use a 4-cylinder engine in a new sled it may also feature a new firing order that its engineers have just launched in the R1 sport bike. This technology is called Crossplane Crankshaft Technology (CCT) and is sometimes referred to as Big Bang. CCT is a unique order of firing four pistons that makes the engine run smoother, it does this by using a crankshaft that fires the pistons at 270°- 180°- 90°- 180° as opposed to other 4-cylinder engines where the two outer and two inner pistons move in pairs at 180° intervals. CCT overcomes the inherent fluctuation in inertial torque with each revolution, and peaky torque characteristics, so torque continues to build smoothly for awesome power and traction.
Finally, any new Yamaha sled will have the latest in EPA compliant emissions controls. The EPA is in the first phase of its Exhaust Emission Standards plan that all sleds must meet. The second phase begins in 2010 and the third in 2012.
These rules force sledmakers to comply with EPA rules or face heavy penalties. Although the word emission strikes fear in the hearts of many motorheads who think it synonymous with less power, Yamaha and the other OEMs are working hard to not only make their machines cleaner, but also produce strong horsepower with emissions equipment installed.
A cleaner snowmobile is not a bad thing, but the relationship between the 4-stroke portion of the snowmobile industry and the EPA hasn't changed as the EPA says "there is still a fundamental need for time to pass to allow us to assess the success of 4-stroke engine technology in the marketplace. This is an important aspect of the assessment we need to conduct with regard to 2012 and later model year emission standards."

 

[rightarm]

That sounds more like it thanks GS.

 

[greenmntpass]

That was a very interesting article, I read it this past weekend. The above mentioned new crankshaft sounds aweaome. I love my 150 motor, and can't imagine the power delivery smoother as stated in the article. To me that seems like it would be huge.

 

[cwhite3]

Where is this video people r talking about?

 

[Crewchief47]

Link posted on second page
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/launch/trailer.aspx

 

[baknblk]

I'm going to give my prediction here. After all, my prediction did end up 100% correct last year with the 177HP Turbo Cat.
I also predict I have a 2010 Four-Stroke Ski-Doo 1200 in my garage next year one year from now, that makes a factory 185+ HP, runs on premium fuel with a boost adder, actually weighs 90-100#'s less than the Yamaha, rides and handles good right out of the crate without overheating and burning hyfax. I think it will be a 137" long track Renegade that is black and yellow.

Let's look back a month from now and see how close I come. I'll bet I'm within 80-90% correct. Not sure about the Doo, but I just REALLY wanted to throw that in there!

Besides sounding like your into yourself a little too much in your post and your predictions ,I can't wait for you to leave witn your attitude towards sticking with Yamaha or not .Although your prediction of a 2010 Ski Doo in your future is more than likely correct you forgot one thing to add to your list "DRIVE SHAFTS" cause there breakin in half with 140 hp and recalled,imagine what 185+ will do to that hollow shaft .I ride Yamaha because it's a Yamaha and this forum is mainly for people who enjoy there ride SEE YA!

I enjoy my Yamaha's and still have some criticisms. My 800 and Apex have both broken drive shafts. The Apex front heat exchanger replacement design is flawed and I could go on and on, the fact is they all brake. The design flaws with the Apex is what has caused me to throw away my blue goggles. What I do not understand is why people slam others because they disagree with there opinions.

I will also say that if Yamaha continues with their current line I will own the Z1 Turbo Cat unless Mikes prediction is correct. The ideal sled imo would be the Ski Doo with a Yamaha turbo engine. I ride with an 800r and in the woods the sled corners incredible kind of like a rider forward SRX would be, but can not stand the engine. So I understand why Mike would want one if the horsepower was higher. Now if Yamaha turbos or sc's the xtx than things may be different.

 

[rightarm]

You experienced a broken drive shaft because you didn't maintain the bearings that support it not from lack of engineering like on the SD.03 Rx1 with original bearings 8000 kms no lack of maintenance here.

 

[baknblk]

You experienced a broken drive shaft because you didn't maintain the bearings that support it not from lack of engineering like on the SD.03 Rx1 with original bearings 8000 kms no lack of maintenance here.

4800 miles on Vmax4 and 1700 miles on the apex maintained every season. My 06 Apex handwarmers, chain case cover, numerous wheels, shock wire, drive axle, suspension h arm. How about my 02 SRX that seized on my first run because the factory plugged the oil pump with silicone . My 98 SRX is the most trouble free sled I have owned and it had to have the crank welded and water pump replaced which were known problems. Call it what you want most have issues. Maybe if I held my computer up to the tailpipe on my car you could diagnose it.