Apex/Attack Exhaust

[jtssrx]

Just to be clear, I have nothing against the Excell system, just that I like the stock exit positions. I was only asking if Allan was doing something on his own. As for Bender, they had told me at Syracuse that the trail system was designed but not built yet, it would be worked on and should be avalable late Oct. Then last week they told me there was still testing to be done in Utah at high altitudes, after that if all went well they would begin production. Probably around Thanksgiving. Unfortunately I have heard these kind of stories before, the dates just keep moving right, and the story keeps changing a bit. By the way Terry Paine told me there is very little HP to be gained, maybe 2+-. There stock system is that good. But there is a weight savings and a little more sound.

Terry is right. Your not going to gain a ton of Peak HP from an exhaust system. Anyone who says you will is a liar. There are gains to be had in the mid.

The weight savings combinded with the cool sound are also reason to upgrade.

 

[snowbeast]

Yes terry is correct as this is about what excell has with there system,but the good news as far as i can see is this,the curve is much flater and easier to hold peak hp it raises the rpm a bit but in doing so makes it more trail friendly,go to there web site and check out there graph and see how it overlays,not much gain in some places,but it never looses any hp and always gains some in good places..

 

[Yamahnator]

Well this sucks. I was told at the snowshow by one of the guys in the bender booth that the exhaust was ready. I asked if they had any there he said they had one on display but they didn't bring any along and I could order it. I told my dealer I wanted it must be he hadn't called yet cause I just called them (since a couple guys here said it wasn't ready yet). Talked to bender and they said it's built but hasn't been tested and they won't start production until after they test it next month.... WTF.

 

[Rx1 cowboy]

My dealer races under bender and now is selling the Hauck pipes. I had a bender pipe on my 2003 - 2005 warriors and it was well made and seemed good performance wise, but when i call earlier this month to bender i got a unenthueastic responce on the pipe they were planning so i turned elsewhere. He said the same thing, Little hp, not much louder and not as much weight savings as my previous bender race pipe had. Check the Hauck pipe out, its avail now.

 

[rtf14]

Maxximum Performance has a trail pipe coming out in December that is supposedly going to get +5 hp, -5 lbs, and 2 db louder. Any one else hear this?

 

[jtssrx]

Not trying to be a jerk but Hauck's stuff flat out doesn't work.

this is one of the packages for the GHT-R-DUN


"Get the best bang for your buck with the Hauck GHT-R-DUN Kit. Kit includes Hauck Exhaust Silencer, Hauck Fuel Accelerator, and #5 Clutch Kit featuring our new VX Weights. Add some awesome HP and reduce the weight at the same time.

GHT-R-DUN Kit
HAXGHTKT


Our Price:$1,250.00

that's a lot of cash!!!!


My take on it is this. If your not interested in the Excel exhaust keep it stock. Excel worked with a highly respected company that builds Bike exhausts. They tried multiple designs and the one Excel is using is the only one that worked. The other designs lost power.

 

[Mighty]

this is one of the packages for the GHT-R-DUN

Sounds like a package name for AC guys; Git r done

 

[Rx1 cowboy]

have you tried the hauck pipe? The guy whos telling me this is the pipe to get isnt a nobody in racing. In fact hes running one of the fastest rx turbos in the country, just because the package is pricey doesnt mean that it wont be good, for what its worth im only doing their pipe, and will be having my dealer tweak my timing and fuel to add to the package. IMO the excel pipe is ugly and sounds nasty, plus its the most expensive pipe out right now.

 

[jtssrx]

I'm not going to get into a pissing match. It's been made clear to me that it's not going to be tolerated. All I'll say is I have personal experience with Hauck products and they flat out do not perform.


AS far as your statement about the Excel exhaust being ugly that's your opinion. I think it's unfortunate that it's OK for you guys to run Aaron's product down based on cosmetics and thats OK but when someone on this site talks about performance it's not OK.


One more thing if your so confident in the Hauck pipe take it to Dyno tech and let Jim dyno it. I'd be willing to bet you it loses power!!


I have no problem with you so please don't be angry with me.

 

[Oak Hill]

Look at the Dyno chart closely. You loose bottom end, no gain in mid range and only gain in top end. If you are a trail cruiser you will notice a loss in low end and cruising range. On the other hand if you are a agressive rider and are looking for top end, then this combo is for you. Just beware, it is a give and take with modifications. Do not take me wronge, I am not saying this is a bad system, just be carefull in what you buy and what you are looking for, it could be a expensive lesson .

 

[Buster696]

Oak Hill, one of the things that we will hopefully see soon is the Torque Numbers... The one thing i've learned is that HP is not everything...

Torque gets you there... HP keeps you there...
So if the torque numbers are better than stock (and i think they are...), it is a great kit for the trail and the lake...

I gota tell ya, I’m impressed with the Vector numbers… getting that much HP gain out of a Head-Pipe/Pipe combo… Nice...

--Buster696--

 

[Rx1 cowboy]

Whos angry, and whos having a pissing match? notice that i said IMO the excell is ugly, whos running down the product, i will be adding my hauck pipe to one sled at a time and then draging them to see what the outcome is on snow, everything else being equal. Maybe id be wrong in saying it but hauck, bender, whiteknuckle ect arent a bunch of hacks who cant build a pipe that retains or make more hp. Im sure the testing is done on their units as much as the excell unit. Im not sure what qualifies dynotech or excell as premier in their respective markets to make all others wrong. Is dynotech the same guy who had the magazine a few years back that ripped off the subscribers by not sending out the mags, or is it someone else? Also im not doing the pipe for hp alone, im mostly interested in making the sled louder and lighter , a couple hp will be nice as well thou. Sorry for a rant, I just dont see what qualifies the excell pipe more that others cause of a guy named Jim and a couple posters claiming how much they like the excell pipe. But hey were here to share and learn so it all helps me.

 

[monker]

Look at the Dyno chart closely. You loose bottom end, no gain in mid range and only gain in top end. If you are a trail cruiser you will notice a loss in low end and cruising range. On the other hand if you are a agressive rider and are looking for top end, then this combo is for you. Just beware, it is a give and take with modifications. Do not take me wronge, I am not saying this is a bad system, just be carefull in what you buy and what you are looking for, it could be a expensive lesson .

I think you were looking at the graph for the Vector. The Apex pipe is never lower than the stocker.

 

[sk-rx1]

Thanks guys for all the input. I have nothing against the excell, except that it's a little more money and does away witht the look that I like. Of course it comes with more stuff to fill in where the original pipes were. Bottom line, except for the Hauck, and it's not cheap either, it appears that so far no one has a system out there. I will check furhter on the MPI, there is nothing on their website. Looks like a wait for Bender, White Knuckle, or MBRP if theri rpice comes down. I had an MBRP on my RX-1, it was pretty good but I was bale to get it at the Syracuse show at a good price. It is frustrating when all these companies advertise and promise things when they have built only prototypes, then come up with "expected avalabilty".

 

[Rocket]

Guys settle down a little

Just a little note for you guys.
Please settle a down a little bit. I think everyone needs to step back on this subject and respect each and every opinion because that's what they are is OPINIONS. They are like arseholes, everyone has one.

I personally have worked with many of these companies. I have worked with Aaron at Excell, first when he was still at J&J Yamaha and I sold him our exhausts until he started his own, and I still talk to him time to time at his new venture. Look, Aaron is a straight up guy, honest, and straigt forward. His stuff is quality, and looks nice and I know he's not going to put something out that doesn't work. Thats why when he wanted to sell an exhaust at J&J he chose us and then developed his own. I have no problems with Aaron or his products.

Hauck also sold our exhaust for a while. Thats all I will say on that matter. While I have my opinions about Pat, I will only say that he is a competitor and I'm sure he does his best to build a good product. I also know that Yamaha uses Pat for a lot of the Racing stuff.

Bender, well I guess I don't know much so I can't opinionate. I'm sure his stuff is good, and though I have seen his exhaust I can't comment much on how it performs cause I've never tried it.

MPI I think is same as bender pretty much. see above

Maxxiimum, pretty much see above. I know Tom had one for a while.

MBRP, again, don't know much, can't comment.

These are the majors. Did you know that as of now there are I think 13 seperate companies offering exhaust for the RX-1 or Apex.
Not every company will offer dyno charts, or talk about them. I guess there is a reason for this, and you can figure that out. At WKP we will discuss any dyno number you want and I'll talk at length with you about it if you want. We have never put out numbers as high as everyone else. Is there a reason for this? I don't know, I only know that we put out the numbers off our dyno. I don't need to lie about or inflate my numbers. I like to make a sale off customer service and satisfaction, not numbers. I'm not saying this is how the others make their business either, so don't take it that way. I've been in this business long enough, and now we have taken a larger role with our management takeover at Black Magic so I see lots of stuff. Best bet is to ask a question, a take every opinion into account. If your buying an exhaust because it says it gains 10-15 hp then I think you need to ask more questions. I have tested many many many designs for the RX-1, vector, and now Apex. Your lucky to see 5 hp gains with a complete system.

Just some inside opinions for you all.
Thanks
Rocket
Arne Rantenen Jr.