Dukester
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Comparison testing
This testing is not meant to start any pissing contest but rather to share information with our TY brothers.
Over the past several days we have been running a test on wet hay comparing two stock clutched Warriors. At the present time we have run 6 times and the two sleds are almost equal (within a length of each other) from start to finish over a strip ½ mile long. A running start of 20 mph and 40 mph produce the same results. Maintenance rpm is 9,800 running up to 10,100.
We then clutched kitted one the Warriors. It consistently pulled out to a three sled lead and stayed there.
We then clutch kitted the second warrior. At the present time we have run 6 times and the two sleds are almost equal (within a length of each other) from start to finish over a strip ½ mile long. A running start of 20 mph and 40 mph produce the same results. Maintenance rpm is 10,200 running up to 10,400.
We then restored the stock clutching to both warriors (Boss’s and Scooby’s) and added the filter kit and evac system to Scooby’s sled. This is the testing we ran today at 40 degrees F.
- From a standing start Scooby’s sled slowly pulled about a four sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start at 20 mph Scooby’s sled pulled about a three sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start of 40 mph Scooby’s sled pulled about a one sled lead and stayed there.
- From a standing start we gave Boss’s sled a four sled lead. We then started and Scooby’s sled decreased the lead, quickly at first and then gradually until they were about even and then stayed there. Scooby’s RPM was about 8,500 when they started to run together.
We then installed the clutch kits to both sleds and left the filter system on Scooby’s sled.
- From a standing start Scooby’s sled slowly pulled about a three sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start at 20 mph Scooby’s sled pulled about a two sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start of 40 mph the sleds ran side by side.
- From a standing start we gave Boss’s sled a three sled lead. We then started and Scooby’s sled decreased the lead, quickly at first and then gradually until they were about even and then stayed there. Scooby’s RPM was about 9,000 when they started to run together.
In summary: The filter kit added to the performance of both a stock clutched and clutch kitted warrior. The enhanced performance was from a stop to about 8,500 RPM.
In a side bar: We ran Scooby’s clutched and air kitted warrior against two other sleds, both RX1’s professionally clutched and filter kitted to the latest and greatest. Scooby consistently beat them by three or more sled lengths.
I admit from the results we had seen on the snow, I was expecting the results to see less difference between the filtered and non filtered sleds.
Have a great summer and start to get ready for next year respectfully the Old Farts.
This testing is not meant to start any pissing contest but rather to share information with our TY brothers.
Over the past several days we have been running a test on wet hay comparing two stock clutched Warriors. At the present time we have run 6 times and the two sleds are almost equal (within a length of each other) from start to finish over a strip ½ mile long. A running start of 20 mph and 40 mph produce the same results. Maintenance rpm is 9,800 running up to 10,100.
We then clutched kitted one the Warriors. It consistently pulled out to a three sled lead and stayed there.
We then clutch kitted the second warrior. At the present time we have run 6 times and the two sleds are almost equal (within a length of each other) from start to finish over a strip ½ mile long. A running start of 20 mph and 40 mph produce the same results. Maintenance rpm is 10,200 running up to 10,400.
We then restored the stock clutching to both warriors (Boss’s and Scooby’s) and added the filter kit and evac system to Scooby’s sled. This is the testing we ran today at 40 degrees F.
- From a standing start Scooby’s sled slowly pulled about a four sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start at 20 mph Scooby’s sled pulled about a three sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start of 40 mph Scooby’s sled pulled about a one sled lead and stayed there.
- From a standing start we gave Boss’s sled a four sled lead. We then started and Scooby’s sled decreased the lead, quickly at first and then gradually until they were about even and then stayed there. Scooby’s RPM was about 8,500 when they started to run together.
We then installed the clutch kits to both sleds and left the filter system on Scooby’s sled.
- From a standing start Scooby’s sled slowly pulled about a three sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start at 20 mph Scooby’s sled pulled about a two sled lead and stayed there.
- With a running start of 40 mph the sleds ran side by side.
- From a standing start we gave Boss’s sled a three sled lead. We then started and Scooby’s sled decreased the lead, quickly at first and then gradually until they were about even and then stayed there. Scooby’s RPM was about 9,000 when they started to run together.
In summary: The filter kit added to the performance of both a stock clutched and clutch kitted warrior. The enhanced performance was from a stop to about 8,500 RPM.
In a side bar: We ran Scooby’s clutched and air kitted warrior against two other sleds, both RX1’s professionally clutched and filter kitted to the latest and greatest. Scooby consistently beat them by three or more sled lengths.
I admit from the results we had seen on the snow, I was expecting the results to see less difference between the filtered and non filtered sleds.
Have a great summer and start to get ready for next year respectfully the Old Farts.
Great report Dukester! It soulds like you went about your testing in a systematic way and presented the results in a very impartial way. Thanks to the Old Farts for all the work! 
touched
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LazyBastard
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How much traction is there on the hay compared to snow? And what is the sled still doing at 8500 rpm if its clutched to 10200?
boone
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Great post Dukester,thanks for the hard work[and fun] to all the old farts. boone :lol:
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Hmmmmm, so I wasn't imagining these things working as advertised 
Good job Sketr, I'm glad you reported what most of us already knew for the naysayers :ORC
Good job Sketr, I'm glad you reported what most of us already knew for the naysayers :ORC
Thanks Dukester, it makes me glad I bought both kits for next winter. You proved what we were led to believe before . I felt strongly that this what you would find after riding Mike Knapps with and with out kits. Thanks again.
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Well done Dukester But my question to you is how does the clutched and ECP filtered Warrior stack up against your real hot Warrior?
That would be an interesting race
But my question to you is how does the clutched and ECP filtered Warrior stack up against your real hot Warrior?That would be an interesting race
LazyBastard
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I would like to point out that this test is only valid for *wet hay* conditions. More or less traction will *change the results.
QCRider
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LazyBastard said:
Did somebody say something? Did you guys hear anything?
Conditions can change from day to day. Both sleds were run on similar conditions right beside each other on the same day. Tuff to get closer comparisons then that!!! When you can get 2 identical sleds with equal weight riders side by side it usually indicates what works in most conditions!!!
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I will try to answer your questions. The test was run in my hayfield. We don't want to start any pissing contest. The traction on the hay was very good. Each sled had 3 studs per paddle. An increase in traction increased the advantage of the filter kit warrior since the sleds were in the lower RPM range longer. The stock warriors were in the lower RPM's longer and thus a greater lead for the filter warrior compared to the same test of the clutched warriors.
It seemed that once the RPm's were above say 9,000 the sleds pulled the same. Dukester said that was why we did't experience as much advantage for the filtered warrior on snow since we had more spin on snow.
Bob Dukester will kill me if I answer your question about his warrior. He warned me not to get into a pissing contest. This was a comparison test only. Scooby reported a while back about his warrior verses Dukersters. But because Scooby has already let the cat out of the bag, I can say this, it kicked #*$&@ big time. Truthfully I don't know what he has done to it. I am a speed freak yet top speed is really scarry.
It seemed that once the RPm's were above say 9,000 the sleds pulled the same. Dukester said that was why we did't experience as much advantage for the filtered warrior on snow since we had more spin on snow.
Bob Dukester will kill me if I answer your question about his warrior. He warned me not to get into a pissing contest. This was a comparison test only. Scooby reported a while back about his warrior verses Dukersters. But because Scooby has already let the cat out of the bag, I can say this, it kicked #*$&@ big time. Truthfully I don't know what he has done to it. I am a speed freak yet top speed is really scarry.
Swiss Sledder
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touched, here is the link to the thread where Dukester laid out the conditions, and your question on clutches is answered in here.
http://www.rx1.info/viewtopic.php?t=4688
http://www.rx1.info/viewtopic.php?t=4688
Hey LB, 
(or was that HAY)
he did'nt say it was topping out at 8500 thats when
they were both equal side by side in the race.
TB
(or was that HAY)he did'nt say it was topping out at 8500 thats when
they were both equal side by side in the race.
TB
Indy
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Hay, this sold it for me. This test combined with the the favorful comments and the dyno quinches the decision. :lol:
That sound you DIDN'T hear was LB's ears hitting the floor.
THANKS for the testing and the report Old Farts, you guys are one class act! I am very glad you came back to our GREAT forum!
That sound you DIDN'T hear was LB's ears hitting the floor.
THANKS for the testing and the report Old Farts, you guys are one class act! I am very glad you came back to our GREAT forum!
