CURVE OR SLP MOHAWKS

[viper strike]

Neither buy a set of ski doo pilot skis.
6.9 wide.
Cheaper and they handle better.

 

[Sidewinder Slayer]

The only issue for me with the curves is they dont have colored loops, were the mohawks you choose the loop color. the only color i kinda like is the white skis for the curves, but thinking they might look crappy after a few seasons being that the white will show everything. does the white hold up very well ?

There supposed to have colour loops options this year.

 

[drumz11]

I've run a lot of miles on Curves and Mohawks. Ditched the Curves and been running Mohawks for several years now. They are both great skis but I prefer the Mohawks.

 

[picasso]

I am trying out the curves for the first time today. I’m not liking them at all! Put them on with their round 4 “ carbides. The dart terribly over 40 on roads with 6 inches or so. I checked toe. I am 1/4 inch total. I tighten front shocks 4 turns, then really turns in corners but darts really really bad. If I loosen then it doesn’t turn, but doesn’t dart as bad. Not sure what I am going to do next. Trash canlooking good.

 

[murdered141]

I am trying out the curves for the first time today. I’m not liking them at all! Put them on with their round 4 “ carbides. The dart terribly over 40 on roads with 6 inches or so. I checked toe. I am 1/4 inch total. I tighten front shocks 4 turns, then really turns in corners but darts really really bad. If I loosen then it doesn’t turn, but doesn’t dart as bad. Not sure what I am going to do next. Trash canlooking good.

Everyone swares that the woodys slim jim dually carbides are excellent on curve ski, but i can't confirm.

 

[drumz11]

It's probably just your suspension set up. They should work very well without having to use dually carbides. I would reduce pressure on the Skis and experiment some more. Back off front ski spring preload a bit and try tightening front skid shock a little at a time. I would use at least 6" carbides but the carbides aren't creating the darting.

 

[VyperNation]

I am in this same dilemma right now with the Viper. Trying to decide what road to go down :-/ Where are people buying their Mohawks from? Trying to find the best price.

 

[picasso]

It's probably just your suspension set up. They should work very well without having to use dually carbides. I would reduce pressure on the Skis and experiment some more. Back off front ski spring preload a bit and try tightening front skid shock a little at a time. I would use at least 6" carbides but the carbides aren't creating the darting.

Played around with the front spring preload quite a bit today where it’s at now it corners the best. This is the same setting that got the best results from the tuners. I tried up one turn tighter until it got crazy heavy steering, all the while it consistently darted really bad over 40 mph. Or if I let off the gas hard. Then tried softening the same way. Got to the point where it pushed really bad, still darting over 40mph or letting off the gas. I kept switching to our other viper to get a feel for how things compared. Hate to say it but the tuners handle way better.

So I don’t think it’s a suspension thing at this point. I guess I have a few options,

1- 6inch round bars with 4inch leading edge
2- 6inch shaper bars with 4 inch leading edge
3- 6inch slim Jim dooleys
4- throw these skis in the trash, and put new 6” shapers on the tuners and chalk this up as expierience.

 

[SumpBuster]

Played around with the front spring preload quite a bit today where it’s at now it corners the best. This is the same setting that got the best results from the tuners. I tried up one turn tighter until it got crazy heavy steering, all the while it consistently darted really bad over 40 mph. Or if I let off the gas hard. Then tried softening the same way. Got to the point where it pushed really bad, still darting over 40mph or letting off the gas. I kept switching to our other viper to get a feel for how things compared. Hate to say it but the tuners handle way better.

So I don’t think it’s a suspension thing at this point. I guess I have a few options,

1- 6inch round bars with 4inch leading edge
2- 6inch shaper bars with 4 inch leading edge
3- 6inch slim Jim dooleys
4- throw these skis in the trash, and put new 6” shapers on the tuners and chalk this up as expierience.

Front skid shock 2 inches (se) tight, front springs 2 turns in from loose (in the air)
ski with some rear heel pressure (gets rid of darting, but increases push and steering self centering feel).
The sw is now excellent handling, especially in looser snow. Initial turn in response is good to aim the sled, then some push as you accelerate and carve the corner, but very predictable. Zero darting with slim Jims but I prefer some minor side to side motion with single runners, as they really let the ski do the work (don't stick out so far). The faster you go the better they handle. Check rear preload and sag. Too much rear spring will keep weight on skis. Limiter in hole 3. My sidewinder sucked even with curves until I got the right combination of suspension adjustments, for my weight and driving style. It is now a joy and a blast to ride. No bs.

 

[drumz11]

I am in this same dilemma right now with the Viper. Trying to decide what road to go down :-/ Where are people buying their Mohawks from? Trying to find the best price.

Gobig parts is excellent to deal with and competitive pricing. Super quick shipping.

 

[picasso]

Front skid shock 2 inches (se) tight, front springs 2 turns in from loose (in the air)
ski with some rear heel pressure (gets rid of darting, but increases push and steering self centering feel).
The sw is now excellent handling, especially in looser snow. Initial turn in response is good to aim the sled, then some push as you accelerate and carve the corner, but very predictable. Zero darting with slim Jims but I prefer some minor side to side motion with single runners, as they really let the ski do the work (don't stick out so far). The faster you go the better they handle. Check rear preload and sag. Too much rear spring will keep weight on skis. Limiter in hole 3. My sidewinder sucked even with curves until I got the right combination of suspension adjustments, for my weight and driving style. It is now a joy and a blast to ride. No bs.

I’m pretty close to your set up. My limiter is 2nd hole out. Corners ok now. The darting is really bad. Scary bad

 

[drumz11]

Played around with the front spring preload quite a bit today where it’s at now it corners the best. This is the same setting that got the best results from the tuners. I tried up one turn tighter until it got crazy heavy steering, all the while it consistently darted really bad over 40 mph. Or if I let off the gas hard. Then tried softening the same way. Got to the point where it pushed really bad, still darting over 40mph or letting off the gas. I kept switching to our other viper to get a feel for how things compared. Hate to say it but the tuners handle way better.

So I don’t think it’s a suspension thing at this point. I guess I have a few options,

1- 6inch round bars with 4inch leading edge
2- 6inch shaper bars with 4 inch leading edge
3- 6inch slim Jim dooleys
4- throw these skis in the trash, and put new 6” shapers on the tuners and chalk this up as expierience.

It's not the skis and I don't think tuners will work better. I never used Tuners on this chassis but did on our old Vector. Make small changes and make sure you ride it more than just one ride.
You can try the leading edge which they recommend for more nose heavy sleds (4-strokes) but I never needed them and it was in the same chassis with a heavier front end Turbo motor. If you are used to a dual carbide ski like the tuners, maybe will prefer dual carbides. Though I prefer another ski now, I had the curves set up very well with very little adjustment. Shimming helps also. Has your limiter strap been tightened up? Go back to stock setting if so. Shaper bars are great carbides but if you are trying to reduce and darting or tracking, not the best choice. Bergstrom triple points are great if you don't mind spending the $$$. I ran them with my Curves. There are lots of happy Curve ski owners so I wouldn't give up yet.
One thing "sumpbuster" mentioned that might be the same as I am getting at is, on initial turn in with Curves, it feels like a push and turn the bars more and then they grab a little and turn. It was predictable as he mentioned if its the same thing. I got used to it and it was no big deal after some miles on them and getting to know how they work.
If you toss the Curves, try an SLT or Mohawk (if you head off trail also) if you want an easy ski to set up. Probably the most dart free skis you will find. The rocker keel as opposed to flat bottom skis among other things makes a difference and will turn much better than those Tuner skis.

 

[picasso]

It's not the skis and I don't think tuners will work better. I never used Tuners on this chassis but did on our old Vector. Make small changes and make sure you ride it more than just one ride.
You can try the leading edge which they recommend for more nose heavy sleds (4-strokes) but I never needed them and it was in the same chassis with a heavier front end Turbo motor. If you are used to a dual carbide ski like the tuners, maybe will prefer dual carbides. Though I prefer another ski now, I had the curves set up very well with very little adjustment. Shimming helps also. Has your limiter strap been tightened up? Go back to stock setting if so. I wouldn't give up yet. There are lots of happy Curve ski owners.

Yes limiter is tightened one hole from stock. Rear Torsion spring on 2, center track shock loosened quite a bit from stock. 19 threads if I remember. Had the tuners working great on everything but mashed potatoe snow in corners, they pushed a little. Thought these curves would be even better.

 

[SumpBuster]

Yes limiter is tightened one hole from stock. Rear Torsion spring on 2, center track shock loosened quite a bit from stock. 19 threads if I remember. Had the tuners working great on everything but mashed potatoe snow in corners, they pushed a little. Thought these curves would be even better.

Try the proverbial big swing. Tighten the front skid shock a lot...I mean a lot...maybe all the way. Loosen the ski springs, limiter on hole 3 or 4, and make sure you have some heel pressure, like the back of the ski tipped down, and to pick it up, you feel resistance to make it level. I use tractor tire tube rubber shims so I can remove them if needed. Just cut some and stuff them under the rubber. Mine haven't worked out, so nothing else needed to keep them in.

 

[SumpBuster]

Too much ski pressure in front of the spindle leads to darting, and front carbide wear.