dave_dj1
Pro
I send my APEX airborn all the time on the trails, every little rise in the terrain, you want to accelerate up the ramp, not up to it, i guess it all depends on the ramp angle and the landing angle. practice makes perfect. 
Superman
TY 4 Stroke Master
Years ago back in my Mountain Max 700 days I used to take my front end loader and make some pretty big jumps (8 to 10ft.) out of the snow banks in my shop parking lot with landings in a couple feet of powder on the back side. jumping a sled on a snowcross track with perfect jumps and jumping our sleds in a trail setting are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
yamadog1
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
no
at 62 you try to miss them, it hurts to much. like i said in the past if your a jumper you bought the wrong sled.
at 62 you try to miss them, it hurts to much. like i said in the past if your a jumper you bought the wrong sled.
twomorestrokes
TY 4 Stroke God
Re: no
Hahahaha! I do agree with that. I hit some jumps occasionally but as I'VE said before, it's like jumping a Tahoe... a good friend of gravity.
yamadog1 said:
Hahahaha! I do agree with that. I hit some jumps occasionally but as I'VE said before, it's like jumping a Tahoe... a good friend of gravity.
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RSVECTORFREAK said:
Are you kidding me? They do back flips on 4 strokes!
The throttle response on my fourstroke APEX is so instant it puts the ski's way up in the air if I make the mistake of giving it throttle in the air. Weight up front has very little to do with it because it does not change during flight.
The attitude of the sled is totally controlled by accel or decel of the track and that force either pushes up the front of the sled or drives it down about a virtual center of rotation.
My 2 cents
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sedz
Extreme
I have been jumpin some little jumps for a while now and can offer some advice:
1. The guy who said to hit the breaks on the lip is Moderator edit wrong...that is instant nose dive death! Never let off on the lip of a jump.
2. Throttle and break controls the sled in the air but you also need to get the hang on setting up and preloading properly comming up the jump face. Trial and error will help you figure this out.
3. Yamahas are very heavy in the front, I have a very hard time jumping nose high with mine, not such a bad thing because boner airs are the most gooned out jumps ever haha.
4. When you let off in the air the engine breaking of the 4stroke will bring the front end down more then a normal sled. Be veryyyy careful if you are looking to do no handers because the nose drops super hard.
5. 4 strokes make is easy to dial in speed because the throttle is smooth and consistant.
6. If you have a nytro check your airbox after jumping alot, it will fill up with oil from the overflow and make your motor sputter.
7. Practice is key, the more you jump the better you will become at judging speed and leveling your sled out without even thinking about it. Start small and work your way up.
1. The guy who said to hit the breaks on the lip is Moderator edit wrong...that is instant nose dive death! Never let off on the lip of a jump.
2. Throttle and break controls the sled in the air but you also need to get the hang on setting up and preloading properly comming up the jump face. Trial and error will help you figure this out.
3. Yamahas are very heavy in the front, I have a very hard time jumping nose high with mine, not such a bad thing because boner airs are the most gooned out jumps ever haha.
4. When you let off in the air the engine breaking of the 4stroke will bring the front end down more then a normal sled. Be veryyyy careful if you are looking to do no handers because the nose drops super hard.
5. 4 strokes make is easy to dial in speed because the throttle is smooth and consistant.
6. If you have a nytro check your airbox after jumping alot, it will fill up with oil from the overflow and make your motor sputter.
7. Practice is key, the more you jump the better you will become at judging speed and leveling your sled out without even thinking about it. Start small and work your way up.
sedz
Extreme
yamadoo said:
IMO The weight makes a difference because the longer you are in the air the harder gravity will start pulling on the heavier end of the sled, especially as your foreward momentum slows. You will notice a big difference going from jumping a lighter more evenly distributed 2s to jumping a 4s.
As you mentioned they flip, with the right technique you could flip any sled regardless of the weight bias. The approach for flipping is different then a normal jump, you cant just hit it like a normal jump and pin the throttle once in the air and pull.
If you watch people do it they come in slower and generally lay on wide open comming up the ramp and pull once their feet pass the lip of the ramp. Gas gyro effect helps the rotation along with timing the pull.
I should mention I don't flip but know a few guys that do. Most of my buddies plan on flipping our ramp soon. Just from jumping a lot and watching people flip I feel I have a good idea of how its done. I just think alot of people have misconceptions about how people actually flip sleds.
twomorestrokes
TY 4 Stroke God
There is no disputing the fact that these sleds are much more nose-heavy than the average 2stroke so it takes a little more effort to not nose it down. These are NOT butterflies but you can jump just about anything if you set your mind to it. I still agree that if your main thing is to jump, your choice in sleds should be questioned.
It is also amazing how many newer members are calling other members idiots and the like. Fine to disagree but this site's better than that.
There's my 2 cents.
It is also amazing how many newer members are calling other members idiots and the like. Fine to disagree but this site's better than that.
There's my 2 cents.
yam177
TY 4 Stroke Master
Superman said:
If you think snowcross jumps have perfect lips and landing your need to look at the track at the end of the day. Most the lips are chewed up and have double lips on them making it a little hairy to hit at speed. Every track that I have every raced on the lips are gone after the first couple laps.
dirkdiggler
Suspended
sedz
Extreme
twomorestrokes said:
Sorry but in my opinion that was a totally
'jumping' advice on that guys part, something that could easily result in someone on here taking that advice and being seriously injured or killed. Anyone who has any common sense can easily understand grabbing the break on the lip of a jump is gonna cause you to lawndart, wreck your sled and get badly hurt. I hope that guy was joking about that advice...either way it really annoys me when people write stuff like that without having a clue what theyre talking about.
Other then that generally good advice in here. Snocross tracks may look perfect but if you ever ride one you will see how chewed and uneavent the lips become...far from perfect.
sedz
Extreme
dirkdiggler said:
Too bad u don't love wearing a HELMET!
dirkdiggler
Suspended
sedz said:dirkdiggler said:
Too bad u don't love wearing a HELMET!
I was about to laod it on the trailer and had to take one more rip.
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