Jumped Ship, But It's been a great ride!!

[Blue Dave]

TB151,

Have your dealer check the cylinder base gaskets. From what I have heard this is where most of the XP 800 internal coolant leaks are located.

My buddy's '09 XP 800R is in the shop for the second engine teardown / rebuild since new with only about 200 miles ridden so far. Good luck!

 

[Rash]

TB151,

Have your dealer check the cylinder base gaskets. From what I have heard this is where most of the XP 800 internal coolant leaks are located.

My buddy's '09 XP 800R is in the shop for the second engine teardown / rebuild since new with only about 200 miles ridden so far. Good luck!

That's scary..

 

[welterracer]

My buddy has a 09 XP 800R.. it too is having coolant issues..

THe dealer claims its a coolant resivour problem

 

[Rash]

Losing coolant can lead to busting because of overheating.. sometimes, you're to far from home and it will over heat.. Hopefully it is resolved soon..

 

[Blue Dave]

If the coolant leak is internal as it has been on the last two break downs for my buddy, the internal coolant leak washes away the fuel / oil lubrication on the cylinder walls causing piston siezure.

From what I have heard this is not just a problem with modded XP's but is also a known problem on the stock XP's.

 

[Essarex]

I was at a dealer on Monday and nearly signed for a new 09 adrenaline, great price, and a pretty good dealer. I bought my SRX and Hayabusa from this guy. But then I was at another dealer closer to my place of employment, picking up some injector oil. I was in line behind a guy who was buying a new crank asy, with a tube of special main bearing grease. I know about the SDI low oil usage, and especially the ETEC usage, but never put two and two together,,,,,these cranks have "permanently" sealed mains! They do not depend on injector oil. Of course it makes sense to me now given the ultra low usage. But how can that be a real design solution? This guy's crank was toast with only 1200 miles and his is an SDI, which uses twice the oil of an ETEC. I was up in air on whether to go Apex, IQ, or XP. I can tell you it will never be XP. One more note,,,,this dealer has a half dozen skidoos in for cranks right now. Now that's scary.

 

[SledFreak]

I was at a dealer on Monday and nearly signed for a new 09 adrenaline, great price, and a pretty good dealer. I bought my SRX and Hayabusa from this guy. But then I was at another dealer closer to my place of employment, picking up some injector oil. I was in line behind a guy who was buying a new crank asy, with a tube of special main bearing grease. I know about the SDI low oil usage, and especially the ETEC usage, but never put two and two together,,,,,these cranks have "permanently" sealed mains! They do not depend on injector oil. Of course it makes sense to me now given the ultra low usage. But how can that be a real design solution? This guy's crank was toast with only 1200 miles and his is an SDI, which uses twice the oil of an ETEC. I was up in air on whether to go Apex, IQ, or XP. I can tell you it will never be XP. One more note,,,,this dealer has a half dozen skidoos in for cranks right now. Now that's scary.

The DOO uses this ISOFLEX grease to keep the bearings lubed. It does not work, because I have neve seen a company go through so many cranks... ETEC or not, it's still a 2 stroke and the Series 3 motor is still a garbage design... The rotary valve motor never had these issues....

 

[Rash]

We wish you all luck... but obviously, reliability is what most Yamaha-ers fear from BRP...that's why I chose Yamaha...

Anyway, keep us informed..

 

[copo427ss]

Well, I gave the XP e-tec Renegade a hard trail ride for about a hundred miles yesterday and my arms were killing me this morning. Yes, the sled is lighter, but I do appreciate the weight of the 4 stroker on the front end when screaming down the lake with drifts. Right now, I think lighter is not "always" better.

It is a different ride altogether. Maybe I still need to get used to it.

i watch my friends with rev x bounce all over down the trail, while im glued. i only really notice the weight of the apex when there are serious big bumps on the trail

 

[Rash]

Well, I gave the XP e-tec Renegade a hard trail ride for about a hundred miles yesterday and my arms were killing me this morning. Yes, the sled is lighter, but I do appreciate the weight of the 4 stroker on the front end when screaming down the lake with drifts. Right now, I think lighter is not "always" better.

It is a different ride altogether. Maybe I still need to get used to it.

i watch my friends with rev x bounce all over down the trail, while im glued. i only really notice the weight of the apex when there are serious big bumps on the trail

The X models are pretty stiff, not a smooth trail sled at all,
The 2008 XP where the worst ever, and where recalibrated for 2009.

 

[pat the rat]

I was at a dealer on Monday and nearly signed for a new 09 adrenaline, great price, and a pretty good dealer. I bought my SRX and Hayabusa from this guy. But then I was at another dealer closer to my place of employment, picking up some injector oil. I was in line behind a guy who was buying a new crank asy, with a tube of special main bearing grease. I know about the SDI low oil usage, and especially the ETEC usage, but never put two and two together,,,,,these cranks have "permanently" sealed mains! They do not depend on injector oil. Of course it makes sense to me now given the ultra low usage. But how can that be a real design solution? This guy's crank was toast with only 1200 miles and his is an SDI, which uses twice the oil of an ETEC. I was up in air on whether to go Apex, IQ, or XP. I can tell you it will never be XP. One more note,,,,this dealer has a half dozen skidoos in for cranks right now. Now that's scary.

The DOO uses this ISOFLEX grease to keep the bearings lubed. It does not work, because I have neve seen a company go through so many cranks... ETEC or not, it's still a 2 stroke and the Series 3 motor is still a garbage design... The rotary valve motor never had these issues....

i had 1 doo in my life in 1994,it had the 583 with rave valve and it was a rotary motor,that engine blew up 3 times in 5000 miles,i was so fed up with that thing,i rebuilt for the 4th time and traded her in on a vmax xt 700 triple in 98,never looked back,no engine problems since,that' 56 000 km later from 3 different sleds,dont have a choice but to ride a yammi

 

[TB151]

Ok, I havent responded to those saying negative things about the ride yet so here goes.

In 09, the sleds cam out with a revised suspension geomety which consisted of a different rear arm to change the rising rate, different shock valving, and also a newer much softer seat foam. The first 2 are supposed to fix the fact that the 08's would be too stiff on the smaller stutters (making them bounce around) and would bottom on the big ones.

After riding a buddie's 08 and then my 09, I can say that there is a very very big difference. In my first 800 miles I never experienced ANY bouncing around on any bumps, in fact the suspension soaked them up much better then my mono shock with big boy spring in the apex. Now, I have done alot of adjusting ont he XP, and never did a ton on the Apex, so Im sure there is something to be said for that. But when i approached big bumps i would brace myself for the hit i felt on the apex, and almost feel nothing on the ski-doo

As for being planted on the trails. I feel as planted on the xp if not more. Theres no inside ski lift like the Apex had, even with the 13mm bar and lowering it down. The only time it gets squirrely is when i punch the throttle if im not fully straight away coming out of the turn. Im set on max tranfer though, so it's because my skis are way over my head. I was trying that setting out for a day just to have some fun with wheelies.

Let me reiterate that I LOVED my Apex, and still miss it, secretly wish i kept it as a second. But so far, other then the coolent issues, I have had a flawless ski-doo experience... The thing is a fun monster of a sled that i feel comfortable with either going 110 down a railbed or carving through 4 feet of powder.

Oh, as for the coolant issue, its pretty cut and dry, and the coolant only leaks over night while the hoses cool and shrink down. The clamps just werent up to the task of holding tight. The coolant does not leak while riding whatsoever, so no risk of blowing the motor unless i dont refill when i drive it to the dealer, ignore all of the flashing lights, and ride it like a jackass.

 

[Rash]

I for myself am very interesrted in your BRP experience... I have A 2009 Apex LTX GT that is a little work to setup, but i like it a lot, And i have a 2008 Summit 600 SDI 144 inch and with no setup, it eats the bumps and takes twisties a lot easier.. So i guess nothing is perfect. For me, i need reliability cause i ride alone a lot with no cell phone antenna near, so breakdown must be avoided at all cost..

 

[whitedust1]

tb151: Keep the updates posted. Happy you like your new ride but as those miles add up don't you worry about that engine? I never made it past 4000 miles before crank froze on my doo800 just as others have stated. My buddy with 08 XPX800r had ALL the recalls & running much better but wham speedo went out for no reason. Took to dealer but didn't get fixed & he does'nt know why but now has high windshield that he likes. Says going Nytro Se next year. I do agree gade would be better in powder than Apex 136.

 

[stevewithOCD]

TB151; keep up the reports. They sound very honest & un-biased. I for one will be trading in this year & have narrowed to 5 sleds. I wish the guy that bought the 800 Dragon would report also...