My first ride on a 2011 apex and nytro xtx impressions.

[Comatoast]

Reliability vs rideability seems to be the debate here. I really hope they chant things for 2012

 

[F7 Racer]

I agree with the handling comments. I've been trying to get my Vector to rail since I bought it in 2005 and it's just not happening. I've tried the 13mm swaybar, limiter strap sucked up, loosened up front rear shock both ski shocks, Pilot skis, you name it. It still pulls the ski 2-3' in the air while cornering hard unless you hang off the seat like a monkey. The center of gravity is just too damn high!

If you think a vector is bad don't ride an apex.

Its post like this that make me stay on a Cat.......but in the worst way on want the Apex motor !! I get myself convinced to get an Apex then read all the handling issue's and ski issue's.

 

[Comatoast]

Those can be tweaked and replaced tho. Much easier than fixing an entire kitty cat

I wanted the new orange f8 sno pro til the dealer actually told me cats keep the mechanics busy all winter. My dealer sells cat and yamaha

 

[SledFreak]

If you spin that motor around then all the weight is over the front skis and not centralized. Also, if you look where the bottom of the apex motor sits it can't go any lower unless you lowered the entire belly pan of the sled. In my opinion the Apex motor is as low and centralized as your going to get it in relation to the track. The only way to get it any better is to bring the rider forward. Also, I drove a 600 ETEC last weekend an loved it but can't say that it cornered any flatter than an Apex. I actually found it more prone to lifting the inside ski. It was noticeably lighter but the seating position is higher. Anyhow, just my thoughts. Both sleds are fun as heck to drive. Usually I'm just glad to be out and not broke down.

So change the chassis to make it work. The 1200 ski-doo has the whole gas tank under the seat and the exhaust out the front and the motor sits very low in the chassis. So don't say it can be done and its very well balanced. A little engineering and it can be done... Im not just talking the Apex.... Vector, Nytro could all benefit from spinning the motors around.

 

[canadianhunter]

Plus we could have some storeage.

 

[rydblue]

Since when did this become TotallySkidoo.com...?

I have never heard more whining in my life. I say go over to the Doo forum and talk about how great they are. I dont think many people visiting this site really care, otherwise they wouldn't be on a website dedicated to Yamaha. Last time I checked this one was.

 

[SledFreak]

Since when did this become TotallySkidoo.com...?

I have never heard more whining in my life. I say go over to the Doo forum and talk about how great they are. I dont think many people visiting this site really care, otherwise they wouldn't be on a website dedicated to Yamaha. Last time I checked this one was.

His original post was about the Yamaha demo ride. There were DOO's there to compare them too. I think it's a good discussion...

 

[pat the rat]

i'm getting sick&tired of reading skidoo and etec bs on this great yamaha site,if i'd want to read about it i'd be on dootalk,i understand mr sled when he's pissed with some members,why does it always turn to doo in every damn topic,i should go open a negative doo topic next door to see what will happen,when you start your topic with,''yamaha's are all crap on the trail''your looking for trouble

 

[KnappAttack]

OK, So it took you 13 Yamaha 4strokes to figure out there no good? Something sure don't add up here......

Remember what they say about opinions folks, I'm sure you know how it goes....

No, It took me one Cat turbo Z1 and one Ski-Doo XR1200 to figure it out.

 

[Super Sled]

There were DOO's there to compare them too. I think it's a good discussion...

No, there were no side by side comparos.......


The only Doos there would have been Comatoast's friend's, or others who might have had them who just happened to be around on Island lake that day.

I was at first confused by what Comatoast wrote and looked into it. He seemed to say thay had some side by side comparisons up there of the Apex XTX and a few Doos. I was very perplexed by this and never saw it. I asked my dealer about that today (Ryan from RJ) and he didn't know what that was about either. Never happened.

Also, Yamaha was not allowing others to mix one of their own sleds into the demo either. The groups consisted of 13 or 14 riders on Yamaha's sleds only, with the Yamaha test riders leading the way in front, and following in last position. The rides were single file, not racing.

I just never saw Yamaha allowing anyone to take their sleds out and race others on the lake with them. That makes no sense. And Ryan confirmed he never saw them doing that anyways.

Maybe what Comatoast meant was he got off the Yamahas after a ride and immediately got onto a Renegade and rode that immediately right after riding the Yamaha sleds. Only way we could make sense of it.

Can you clarify this Comatoast?

 

[jaydaniels]

So change the chassis to make it work. The 1200 ski-doo has the whole gas tank under the seat and the exhaust out the front and the motor sits very low in the chassis. So don't say it can be done and its very well balanced. A little engineering and it can be done... Im not just talking the Apex.... Vector, Nytro could all benefit from spinning the motors around.[/quote]

Change the chassis all you want but putting the weight of that engine further away from the drive axle and closer to the front end is going to put your balance further off. I agree, there are ways to get the sled better balanced but spinning the motor isn't one of them.

 

[Comatoast]

Sorry guys. I realize there's alot of info in here and cool members to give advice, so I don't want this to turn out bad. This thread went off topic ( nytro ) a while ago and I'll rake partial blame for that , but it's all relative to "MY" comparison starting from the 1st post. This was a decision for me to figure out what would suit me better since the only thing our local dealer has to ride is yamaha and cat. Our dealer with ski doo is basically in the middle of the city with nowhere to ride and like I said before it's tough to hear so many good things about the doo but then go with a yamaha because itsthe only thing I can ride. It's not a fair decision. It's a lack of options.

Not saying I didn't like the nytro. I really did , especially coming up froma 97 700 and a 02 viper. If that was the case I wouldn't be on this forum with almost 50 posts

As to the "race" factor. Lol I'm sure noone did know about it. It happened on the trail and on the long lake run back to the inn. There was a HUGE separation from the front of the back and the guys in back. On the first run I'd say we were about 4-5 minutes apart. Same thing on the way back. We had my buddy and a few others who actually rode their sleds to the inn follow or jump in at the "Y" before we got back on the lake. So what we were doing probably wasn't noticed by the staff. In no way was it a legit way to race. But me and 2 of the other demo riders wanted a comparison. So we made it happen. Sneaky? Yes , but did it give a good general idea of how things run side by side? For sure.

 

[titanrcr]

i'm getting sick&tired of reading skidoo and etec bs on this great yamaha site,if i'd want to read about it i'd be on dootalk,i understand mr sled when he's pissed with some members,why does it always turn to doo in every damn topic,i should go open a negative doo topic next door to see what will happen,when you start your topic with,''yamaha's are all crap on the trail''your looking for trouble

Well I can assure you that it's not the Yamaha guys on this sight trying to convince you that Skidogs are the better choice, more a case PP envy from the Doo guys if you ask me. I don't think any Yamaha guys are ragging on their sleds on dootalk, hell they report enough failures on their own. They never have anything negative to say about Cat or Polaris, why is that? They might have market share but they know damned well who makes the finest sled. So be glad you own a Yamaha and if you ever happen walk into a Skidoo dealer just don't drink the " Kool aid".

 

[Comatoast]

True. I'm very sick of hearing the doo sales ppl brag about how doo is number one in sales and how etec is the end all be all of motors. They always seem to divert the conversation to that when I ask a mechanical or comparison question. Not to mention all they have to say about yamaha is " yea the motors ok, but it has to be to move those tanks"....... Very classy....

 

[Dano]

Comatoast, go to your doo dealer and talk to the manager. Tell them you want to try out a couple models before you purchase. Dealers aren't stupid and should accommodate with certain areas to ride at certain dates. My close doo dealer to me allowed me to try out the new fleet they had available last year, which I'm glad I did. Second, go on dootalk and syphon through the people that are reputable and have true long miles logged on the rides you like and get all the info you need. If you keep your sleds for a long time, find someone that does as well to get a fair impartial decision and not fogged by internet glamour. You might have better luck going through PMs to get your info you want.
You can't really go wrong with a doo or Yamie sled. Don't think you'll solve world piece by getting a doo. You'll just have different issues.

Dan