Comatoast
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I'll post this here since I don't wanna make another threadthat turns into a bi&@h fest.
We had the yamaha demo days today up at the island lake inn in Duluth mn. I rode the apex se, apex xtx, the nytro rtx and the nytro xtx.
IMO. They are all crap on the trail, the apex is smooth but they all seem tippy. I'm used to sleds that are planted to the ground. Especially the the skis but these sleds seemed all over the place. Yes I was riding pretty aggressive but that's what I can compare to. Ski doo is leaps and bounds ahead of yamaha in trail riding and chassis
This might start an argument but I hope not
As for performance. We took the sleds across the road to a wide open lake then on a 25 mile trail ride. There were tons of 600 and 800 gades there all riding the yamaha for the demo day. Once they were done they got on their sleds ran on the lake with a apex xtx and a nytro xtx and ran to 80-85. The gade 600 got the jolesjot on everyone thenthe apex and nytro pulled ahead quickly being reeled in by the 800. At about an 1/8 mile the 800 was pulling fast on everyone. Followed by the 600 then apex then nytro. They did multiple rolling runs like this.
As for a conclusion the nytro was a tiny tiny bit quicker thanthe etec 600. But like I said they only ran to 80 and the apex only held "close" NOT EVER pulling on the apex from a roll or a dig. The etec 800 is impressive and shockingly quiet. But I don't see EVER how a apex could win a race against an etec. It pulled in every type of run and kept going. The conditions on the lake were groomed with about a 12" base. No sled had picks or mods. The miles on the apex was 1300 on the xtx and 720 on the nytro
Not dogging yamaha as I'm actually considering buying one. But they need to reduce the weight somehow and need to work on rider position and chassis. IMO the nytro is a horrible trail sled. But seems like it would be a fun ditch banger or jumper but after riding etecs they all feel like tanks. With yamaha you feel gravity while the doos ride like they defy it
We had the yamaha demo days today up at the island lake inn in Duluth mn. I rode the apex se, apex xtx, the nytro rtx and the nytro xtx.
IMO. They are all crap on the trail, the apex is smooth but they all seem tippy. I'm used to sleds that are planted to the ground. Especially the the skis but these sleds seemed all over the place. Yes I was riding pretty aggressive but that's what I can compare to. Ski doo is leaps and bounds ahead of yamaha in trail riding and chassis
This might start an argument but I hope not
As for performance. We took the sleds across the road to a wide open lake then on a 25 mile trail ride. There were tons of 600 and 800 gades there all riding the yamaha for the demo day. Once they were done they got on their sleds ran on the lake with a apex xtx and a nytro xtx and ran to 80-85. The gade 600 got the jolesjot on everyone thenthe apex and nytro pulled ahead quickly being reeled in by the 800. At about an 1/8 mile the 800 was pulling fast on everyone. Followed by the 600 then apex then nytro. They did multiple rolling runs like this.
As for a conclusion the nytro was a tiny tiny bit quicker thanthe etec 600. But like I said they only ran to 80 and the apex only held "close" NOT EVER pulling on the apex from a roll or a dig. The etec 800 is impressive and shockingly quiet. But I don't see EVER how a apex could win a race against an etec. It pulled in every type of run and kept going. The conditions on the lake were groomed with about a 12" base. No sled had picks or mods. The miles on the apex was 1300 on the xtx and 720 on the nytro
Not dogging yamaha as I'm actually considering buying one. But they need to reduce the weight somehow and need to work on rider position and chassis. IMO the nytro is a horrible trail sled. But seems like it would be a fun ditch banger or jumper but after riding etecs they all feel like tanks. With yamaha you feel gravity while the doos ride like they defy it
Comatoast
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My sleds of choice. Apex and nytro xtx and nytro rtx
copo427ss
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i rode them all here in wny a few weeks ago at a demo. and i can honestly say i wasnt really impressed with the new apex. i'll stick with mine.
burgerbone
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Comatoast said:
You just are not used to a technological superior sled
. I wouldn't call a Nytro a sled that you can just jump on and ride. It takes time to setup the suspension to your weight and riding style. Some say skis are an issue but to me there is a world of difference by just changing the carbides to dualies.
It's all in the set up.A lot of the demo sleds are all over the place on the trails and don't rid every good.You make a few adjustments on them and they handle great.
Sledtime9
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Here lies the problem. There is no question that Ski Doo out of the box is a far superior sled. The baseline setup on a Ski Doo seems to be a nice baseline that nearly everyone can ride and feel comfortable.
Yamaha isn't very user friendly out of the box. If you really want to compare the whole package, ride a Yamaha that has been sorted out by an owner that knows what he or she is doing. I assure you that it is a totally different sled.
I have ridden lots of Doo's and I will keep my Yamaha. A well sorted Yamaha is pure sledding bliss...
Yamaha isn't very user friendly out of the box. If you really want to compare the whole package, ride a Yamaha that has been sorted out by an owner that knows what he or she is doing. I assure you that it is a totally different sled.
I have ridden lots of Doo's and I will keep my Yamaha. A well sorted Yamaha is pure sledding bliss...
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I sold my 2007 Phazer Fx this year, I spent time in setting up the suspension and running shapper bars on the skis. The sled became very capable of running fast and agressively on the trail and ditches. The guy I sold it to is about the same size as I am and he sent me a email saying how excited he is with the sled and sayes it "carves" through the corners. My point is every sled needs to be fined tuned to each riders style.
burgerbone
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blkmax600 said:
I found the same thing with my '08 Phazer. The wife was complaining that it was darting all over the place and tippy in the corners. Put 4" slim Jim's on it and took some air out of the shocks and it handles great for her.
One has to wonder why some much set up and effort needs to be applied to one over the other to make poeple like them!Sledtime9 said:
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Funny how this post quickly changed from "First Impressions" to a comparison with Ski Doo. Hard to compare the two as the Yamaha is in a league all it's own.
kinger
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Why is it that Doo can get them so right out of the box? I know about 12 doos all brand new and the owners dont even know how to adjust the transfer or what it even is. They unload them ride them hard, the skis stay planted, it steers, it doesn't dart, it doesn't wear you out, it just works on almost every model.
Every new yamaha I have ridden was scary to me, tippy, darting all over, push through corners, etc.
I got mine sorted out but I wish they would hire a Doo suspension engineer to set up all the sleds out of the box.
Every new yamaha I have ridden was scary to me, tippy, darting all over, push through corners, etc.
I got mine sorted out but I wish they would hire a Doo suspension engineer to set up all the sleds out of the box.
rydblue
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So now that this thread has become the "@!#ch fest" that the OP mentioned...
I would agree that the Nytro can be an awesome trail sled with some adjustments. On my wife's 2010 XTX all we added was a set of Pilot skis with 6" inner and 4" outer carbides, and softened the front springs and shocks to the minimum. She says this is the best handling and riding sled she has been on to date (last 2 sleds: 2009 Vector LTX and 2007 Phazer FX) and I would agree. I liked riding it so well, I think I will be trading my 2010 Apex LTX for a 2011 or 2012 Nytro XTX next fall. The rider position of the Nytro is so much more comfortable for me than the Apex. I'm 6'2 and my right hip gets a cramp after riding the Apex for long distances. Still love the 4 cyl engine though!!!!
I would agree that the Nytro can be an awesome trail sled with some adjustments. On my wife's 2010 XTX all we added was a set of Pilot skis with 6" inner and 4" outer carbides, and softened the front springs and shocks to the minimum. She says this is the best handling and riding sled she has been on to date (last 2 sleds: 2009 Vector LTX and 2007 Phazer FX) and I would agree. I liked riding it so well, I think I will be trading my 2010 Apex LTX for a 2011 or 2012 Nytro XTX next fall. The rider position of the Nytro is so much more comfortable for me than the Apex. I'm 6'2 and my right hip gets a cramp after riding the Apex for long distances. Still love the 4 cyl engine though!!!!
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kinger said:
x2... They need to hire the chassis and shock engineers.....
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Hey Comatoast, it was poor set up.
I too was there Saturday AM and rode all those same sleds. It was the way they were set up -- they were all set up with too much transfer and no ski pressure.
I was talking to Ryan from RJ Sport and Cycle and the Yamaha rep about it. The lowered the ski pressure due to darting complaints. Big mistake.
Then they used a very icy and twisty route towards the State Trail with 4 inches of slop on top; hadn't been groomed in weeks either, so very rough.
The demo sleds handled terribly is my point. Set up is key in those conditions.
The one notable exception was the Nytro XTX which had so much ski pressure it was hard to turn.
The Yamaha Mech was there. He should've re-calibrated those sleds different.
Last week they were apparently in Green Bay or somewhere with wide open tyyrails and long straight stretches.
I too was there Saturday AM and rode all those same sleds. It was the way they were set up -- they were all set up with too much transfer and no ski pressure.
I was talking to Ryan from RJ Sport and Cycle and the Yamaha rep about it. The lowered the ski pressure due to darting complaints. Big mistake.
Then they used a very icy and twisty route towards the State Trail with 4 inches of slop on top; hadn't been groomed in weeks either, so very rough.
The demo sleds handled terribly is my point. Set up is key in those conditions.
The one notable exception was the Nytro XTX which had so much ski pressure it was hard to turn.
The Yamaha Mech was there. He should've re-calibrated those sleds different.
Last week they were apparently in Green Bay or somewhere with wide open tyyrails and long straight stretches.
