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Need Rider Input on Apex GT vs. Attak

forget the srx

that is what I am selling. best sled ever built for the twisties and I loved taking my helmet off and waiting for the others to catch up

I beat my buddies Atack with nitrous and clutchwork on my srx
then blowed it up ( Dale Ernhart)

moving on to a newer sled

so beating my buddy's attack with whatever I buy is paramount
and not sacrificing too much cornering ability is important too since I am moving away from my srx
(don't want buddy claiming my most excellent cornering skills were all equipment based ;):D
 

The handeling of an SRX compared to an Apex is apples and oranges. Apex can handle well but you have to drive it very differently fron an SRX
 
If you are about twistys & pounding trails as fast as you can go buy an 09 NytroSE not 121 Apex. 138 alot quicker than you think on tight trails.
 
i ride an 06 apex and have had absolutly no problems with it. It rides great, handles well and I love it in every way but one. The short track sucks in deep snow. Live in Michigan U P and I am looking at extending my apex track from 121 to 136. anyone have any suggestions on that?
 
There are a ton of posts about this topic, do search and be pepared to read. The short answer is: If you plan on doing a lot of off trailing, get wide skis and an aftermarket skid maybe 144" (ZX2 seems to be popular) main thing is to flatten the approach angle of the track. If you just want to be able to recover from a missed turn, or cut through some woods (short term off trail) just get a set of wide skis and you'll be fine. My shorty with the USI's did fine, did't get stuck once last year and you know how much snow we got. It won't power through the deep but it will get you were you want to go.
 
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

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<<There are a ton of posts about this topic, do search and be pepared to read. >>

I have done quit a bit of reading on in but am very concerned about the changing the way my apex 121 handles. I do alot of off trail riding with some buds that have 136 doo's and cats and find I cant keep up in the deep stuff. Blow em away on the trail. Will I give up --that-- much on the trail and will my gain be big enough off trail to make it a good move? Ive never riden an attack 136 so I was asking for that input.
 
rm10gt said:
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

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<<There are a ton of posts about this topic, do search and be pepared to read. >>

I have done quit a bit of reading on in but am very concerned about the changing the way my apex 121 handles. I do alot of off trail riding with some buds that have 136 doo's and cats and find I cant keep up in the deep stuff. Blow em away on the trail. Will I give up --that-- much on the trail and will my gain be big enough off trail to make it a good move? Ive never riden an attack 136 so I was asking for that input.
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You can do the 136 thing OK, and this will gain you a ton of traction and flotation - but it's not the weight reduction program you'd also need to be on to stay with a 136 Doo in the fluff....

That would be the current advantage of state of the art 2 strokes - the weight. It makes a huge difference in the fluff, as well as when it gets really rough when you're airing out constantly. You can't get around that fact. My opinion.
 
rm10gt said:
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

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<<There are a ton of posts about this topic, do search and be pepared to read. >>

I have done quit a bit of reading on in but am very concerned about the changing the way my apex 121 handles. I do alot of off trail riding with some buds that have 136 doo's and cats and find I cant keep up in the deep stuff. Blow em away on the trail. Will I give up --that-- much on the trail and will my gain be big enough off trail to make it a good move? Ive never riden an attack 136 so I was asking for that input.
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Since your from the U.P. I'm sure you know trail 452 up by White Fish Point. A friend I ride with bought an Attack GT and put the same skis (USI's) on. When we got done ridding the 452 he said to me "I don't care if I ever ride that trail again". Normally our group will ride it two times per trip. He seemed to notice a lot of push (from the extra length track) and just seemed worn out. I'll admit it's not a cake walk for me either but not that bad either. That coupled with the off trail reports that are all over here I would say a 136" Mono is not the skid for crossovers. Now the new XTX skid with the 6* tip-up may be the key. I think Ulmer is considering making rails with the 6* tip. Not sure for which suspensions but maybe P.M. him and see.
 
The 136 mono is definitively out as a deep snow or big bump preformance skid, it fairs pretty good for the average trail cruiser tho.

I you want both better bump capability and floatation go with an aftermarket 136 skid like the ZX-2, EZ-ride, Expert-X; they all perform better in the nasties and floats better in the deep stuff than the Mono skid. You may also go with some of the OEMs 136 skids.

What kills the Mono in the snow is the angle of attack at the front of the skid, take a look at the Doo or the AC sleds and you will know what I mean. Going with the ZX-2 skid made my sled float on top rather than trenching like the 136 Proaction I had earlier.

I also ride a '08 Apex RTX and I like it a lot better than the Attak when the trails gets rough, most of the time that is. Even the RTX has it's shortcommings when it comes to rear suspension, but it can be fixed with a revalve. I have not ridden the Apex GT with the Mono so I can't comment on that one.

If the cornering abilities in the tight and twisties is the most important to you, go with the Apex.
 
The Apex is a great sled with the right upgrades but if we could do it again I think I would go with an attak because the apex doesn't get enough grip with a stud less ripsaw. Speaking of ripsaw if you can I would go with a different track, I honestly don't get the hype around it. I feel as though it spins too much without studs. If you change tracks the apex could be a better choice compared to the attak. No matter what the sleds need more power to compete with the competition.
 
Yeah add more power (a blower) then there is no more competition..... :)
 
I'll give "hawk" the newbie an honest answer. The ATTACK puts that power down better period! It is just as fast & i don't know why. It rides bumps better, but obviously will have more push in corners. These statements are in general because all set-ups &/or aftermarket parts can change things. With all things equal between me on Apex & friend on Attack: he gets better traction, i turn better, he's less sore on bumps. Now GT rides way better than my Apex sooooo... was that any help?
 
I own both a 2006 Apex GT and Attak. Both sleds are awesome. My son is 17 and prefers the GT, a little lighter and a little more nimble in the tight twisties. I prefer the Attak, I'm 50 but ride somwhat aggresive. I do think I get off the line better and top end is neck and neck. Attak has the best trail ride of any sled I've owned, only knock is they are both a little heavy in the corners but you can throw out the #*$&@ end of the GT better . Differences are subtle and you'd be happy with either but if I could only keep one . . . . . . . Attak. Good luck.
 
My first Yammi was an 04 Warrior(predecssor to attack) and now I have an 06 APex GT as well as the warrior. They both seem to have the same top end, I have nver really raced them head to head but we are always pretty much beside each other when driving.
I always drive the Apex GT ( and I own both of the sleds), much quicker in corners, not as heavy , and the adjustable ride works pretty well.
The warrior I have has been a good sled and I would prefer this one if I rode 60 ft wide trails like up in Cochrane all the time.
 
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