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New 2017 Yamaha Sleds...

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I would disagree. I think there are MORE people riding like this. Groomed trails are getting better and better. The average age of the snowmobiler is on the rise, not declining. That being said, I think there are also more people interested in "freeriding" than before. The problem is not every area is conducive to this type off riding.
Give me a reliable sled any day of the week. I don't want to feel I have to trade just because my warranty is up. Plus, what good is a warranty if your sled is in the shop and you are not out riding? Your wallet takes it easier but you still are not on the trail.
Totally agree. Average age is climbing. Most places strictly forbid riding off trail. Many 4 strokes handle just fine in the powder. And in a decade 2 strokes will be a thing of the past as the only sport to still use this antiquated technology is snowmobiles! Every other sport has already made the move to 4 strokes, and the big 4 cannot remain profitable building engines that will only apply to one business line. The clock is ticking on the 2 smokes.
 
X2... ^^^
I switch both my motors on my fishing boat to 4 stoke, both Yamaha, 150 and 9.9 high trust kicker and never looked back...
Trolling with a 2 stroke and being up wind was brutal, didn't want to make you troll...
 
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I know everyone's hopeful for some great changes on the higher end sleds, but personally, I'd be stoked to see a 600 R6 four cylinder engine in the Phazer. :) I'd consider buying it based on that 4-cylinder sound alone! Something like this:
 
I love 4stroke tech ! But the big 3 artic cat doo and poo make more money of the 2stroke parts and customers every 2/3 years just my opinion!
 
What the hell? Ain't a 2 smoke for sure. Sounds like my wife's sewing machine!?
Got nearly 20,000 miles on my Nytro XTX and I am 100% certain that is the same motor. Very distinctive sound.

The bigger question is, what kind of helmet was that?
 
I agree 100% that if you are an "older trail veteran " that doesn't go off trail, ride powder or care about having a lightweight sled that handles well, a four stroke will work great for you. Problem is its a shrinking segment. Now days new riders want to see whats over that hill, through those trees, and across that drainage. That's where the 2 strokes shine. I for one wont keep a sled for 10 years so the so called reliability does me no good on a four stroke. Give me a 2 stroke with a 4 year warranty and I will rotate every three years and be very happy.

Just came back from the dark side, I mean Doo site "2017 Renegade X 850, Ski Doo advertised dry weight 485 lbs" that makes it 20 lbs lighter than my 141 Viper XTX.
Add battery and starter to the Doo and be about equal, add extra weight of snow the Doo platform carries compared to the Pro Climb and in an hour the Doo is heavier.
As far as the 20 lb difference is concerned, I would love to have my sled shed 20 lbs, it's jeans would fit better, its suit would fit better and make sure it doesn't take the step from L to XL.
And if the EPA takes one more step we will be looking for lighter catalytic converters for our 4 strokes.
 
Just came back from the dark side, I mean Doo site "2017 Renegade X 850, Ski Doo advertised dry weight 485 lbs" that makes it 20 lbs lighter than my 141 Viper XTX.
Add battery and starter to the Doo and be about equal, add extra weight of snow the Doo platform carries compared to the Pro Climb and in an hour the Doo is heavier.
As far as the 20 lb difference is concerned, I would love to have my sled shed 20 lbs, it's jeans would fit better, its suit would fit better and make sure it doesn't take the step from L to XL.
And if the EPA takes one more step we will be looking for lighter catalytic converters for our 4 strokes.

They are very close in weight. The Doo does come standard with electric start even though it's a 2-stroke, most of the Doos come with it from the factory.
 
New prediction: viper chassis with 3 cylinder cross plane crank producing 130-150 HP new headlight led or hid and a few body changes to make it more Yamaha. CR said new stuff for five years, it's been 3. The 4 cylinder crossplane 180 HP is going to be next year or the year after in all new full Yamaha chassis.

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