New ski-doo

[STAIN]

fancy gauge works only part of the time

This is the problem with these new gauges. They are not reliable. I have heard of more problems with these new gauge set ups than any of the older ones. Who wants to be fiddling with a gauge cluster all the time?
I do think CAT/Yamaha need a new gauge, just not at the cost of reliability.
Personally, give me some big faced dials/needles and let the rest of the stuff be in the background.
Dont make me scroll through different screens to see what I want or what is considered essential like fuel, engine temp.

 

[SumpBuster]

This is the problem with these new gauges. They are not reliable. I have heard of more problems with these new gauge set ups than any of the older ones. Who wants to be fiddling with a gauge cluster all the time?
I do think CAT/Yamaha need a new gauge, just not at the cost of reliability.
Personally, give me some big faced dials/needles and let the rest of the stuff be in the background.
Dont make me scroll through different screens to see what I want or what is considered essential like fuel, engine temp.

I still like my 06 Apex gauge.

 

[Motorhead]

I still like my 06 Apex gauge.

Still loving my old 2017 with the stock QS3r.
Had to get rid of the tuner skis, added some curves, and some tunes because it was not as fast as I like! So what would be fast enough for a trail sled on pump gas! Dam thing rides and handless well!

Water meth injected in winter?

 

[Trailleader]

I agree and what kinda stinks is the guys that were engineers on that procross are all pretty much gone. Raced cross country with one of them. It is a great sled
So what I like on the navigation is when my 12 year old rides with me I can see where he always is
I can see if they stopped
I’m n wi I like the route planning too so we get to a destination without getting lost. We rode from e to w and back e a lot. Minoqua to cable and back is usually once a trip if there’s snow
Not a necessity by any means but much appreciated in situations it’s gets late with kids and or just finding gas at times
I always liked pulling up to clam lake gas station at 11 or midnight heading back to land o or s and taking 10 min a sled to fill them with the water left at the bottom of the tank
Lol

 

[sideshowBob]

Water meth injected in winter?

The aviation world has been effectively using water meth injection on high output boosted aircraft engines since pre ww2 and especially on piston fighters primarily active at Take Off and Emergency Power settings.
The water methanol is not unlike winter temp deicing windshield washer fluid[to over simplify] and should not be an issue at sub zero temps.
I am amazed and impressed Ski Doo actually put a water meth and a launch control system on a consumer 2 stroke sled! Very cool...literally.

 

[stone88]

I was a Doo guy for quite some time with the 1200's which to this day is the best four-stroke they ever had. Tuned and clutched properly they easily outrun the 800's and 850. There is nothing good about the Doo front ends however, they do not handle nearly as good as the Cat chassis. The R-Motion rear is a good suspension, but is a compromise handling wise as they can't keep the skis down decently. I guess some like wheelies and not being able to steer when the skis are off the ground.

Not sure how Cat/Yamaha is falling behind at all. The new power steering is out on the Cat and there's no way I'd be on a Doo again just because of their poor front end. Even though the Doo is a lighter machine, it steers and actually feels heavier riding it because of this. Sure is nice to move the Doo around in the shop on the lift or wheels however being lighter!

Have a friend with the new 850 and his fancy gauge works only part of the time. It keeps shutting off and killing his hand/thumbwarmers. He has to keep stoping to reset it. He's always fiddling with it. The dealer has done all they could but Doo's gauge is a POS and worthless if it doesn't stay working. So not only do I have to ride slower so he can keep up on the Doo, we have to stop so he can get his warmers and gauge back working as well. I will certainly not go back to a Doo anytime soon. They build nice sleds, but ignore the inferior front end and the 900 is a weak POS engine next to the 1200 they had.

The 998 can go to 300 HP for trail use on pump gas, the 900 about 230 and its not a good engine like the 998 is. The primary clutch on the Winder does need to go however. It's a weak rattle box!

I have to admit doo with factory meth kit is a game changer on the turbo 850 no more issues with octane or heat soaking intake temps it should have consistent power all the time,I like it LOL.
On another note I see your 23 SRX is "stone stock"

 

[Doc Harley]

So....seems as though you guys are willing to trade meth/water injection for an air to air intercooler. Cuz that's what's happening. Pump takes a dump, injection issues, etc. Well the good news is you still have 165 on tap. Lol.
Hmmm. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me?!?!
Surprised you guys are even falling for it. Whatever

 

[SumpBuster]

So....seems as though you guys are willing to trade meth/water injection for an air to air intercooler. Cuz that's what's happening.
Hmmm. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me?!?!
Surprised you guys are even falling for it. Whatever

Maybe they figger its lighter, for awesome handling!

 

[NYTurbo]

I bought a 900R this year and it took a lot of suspension tweaking but it now rides better than my 19 TCAT and handles just as good if not better. The only thing Im going to do is put progressive springs in the front as u feel the small bumps to much, that and the lack of hp but love the sled. The Yamacat and Doo are two different machines and takes some getting used to . I still have the Tcat but my go to is the 900R .

 

[Doc Harley]

Maybe they figger its lighter, for awesome handling!

That's the claim. Lol. When in fact they probably didn't know where to stick it (intercooler & plumbing)
I've got an idea where they can stick it.

 

[SumpBuster]

That's the claim. Lol. When in fact they probably didn't know where to stick it (intercooler & plumbing)
I've got an idea where they can stick it.

Plus, they is BUTT ugly. Id have to store it under cover and only ride at night!

 

[Trailleader]

So....seems as though you guys are willing to trade meth/water injection for an air to air intercooler. Cuz that's what's happening. Pump takes a dump, injection issues, etc. Well the good news is you still have 165 on tap. Lol.
Hmmm. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me?!?!
Surprised you guys are even falling for it. Whatever

Ecu will protect it
Not like one that’s installed aftermarket
It’s awesome that factory is doing this

 

[Doc Harley]

Plus, they is BUTT ugly. Id have to store it under cover and only ride at night!

I have to agree with you there. It looks like the competition package is some sort of upgrade Like you can get it with and without the injection setup. I don't wanna read into it any further as it's Causing me a migraine. Lol.
This 1 is teetering on 1 of Skidoo's biggest gambles, yet.

 

[Doc Harley]

Ecu will protect it
Not like one that’s installed aftermarket
It’s awesome that factory is doing this

Right on. So you don't see Any extra inherit problems with this? In a sense of snowmobiles follow the automotive world. Turbo chargers and superchargers go hand in hand with air to air inner coolers Since probably the 60s. Seemingly the most efficient way to keep things cool, And in a sport exclusively ridden in freezing temperatures which adds in that fact.
In all that you know , You think going to water meth injection is a better answer then The reliable, time tested system of air to air? Nah..... I'm not having any of it.
Air to air with meth injection option. Now I'm in. Lol

 

[Motorhead]

The aviation world has been effectively using water meth injection on high output boosted aircraft engines since pre ww2 and especially on piston fighters primarily active at Take Off and Emergency Power settings.
The water methanol is not unlike winter temp deicing windshield washer fluid[to over simplify] and should not be an issue at sub zero temps.
I am amazed and impressed Ski Doo actually put a water meth and a launch control system on a consumer 2 stroke sled! Very cool...literally.

I shall say that I know nothing about aircraft engines nor what exactly the water meth injection does?
Is this solution expensive to buy, or dangerous to handle?
I do know that a snowmobile technician can struggle with non mechanical motor probs associciated with sensors, electronics, tunes, etc! But I would hope that most aircraft techs have much more aircraft specific training?

I will say that I am intrigued but, with how much will be needed, and how much per gallon or quart price wise?
Gallon of Poo syn, is $70 something here locally!!

Maybe the drag racers are excited about this new/old technology that SkiDoo is bringing to the table, but as a fast trail loving type of rider that I am, I also like simplicity in some things, and want to hear from those who know, like yourself, on the reliability and issues that can take your 2 stroke out with a water meth system!

For older folk like me, technologically speaking, are the techs going to have classes for this new system so that it can corrected or adjusted in times of faulty operations, or will all answers have to come from BRP’s aviation side?

Either way, can’t wait to hear about this new era in sled motors!