Nytro owners with bent front ends only!!!

[Doogs]

A lot of it is just free play in the bushings. The front suspension on these seems like it was designed and built in Taiwan by a bunch of 9 year old sweatshop kids.

 

[nate007]

Thanks again for the comments, folks! I'd like to remind everyone that i'd like to keep this thread for a sled count only, and please only post if you have a problem, what is being done about it, and the cost to you.
I do have the opportunity to use the information gathered here to give feedback to my dealer and the Yamaha Rep that services this area.
Thanks

 

[Removed User]

All you guys talking about ski's going back and forth between rides etc. Are you guys taking into account the sloppy a arm bushings and sloppy faulty ball joints??

Put new ball joints a brass bushings in.

When your riding on pavement and you can see the a arms moving back and fourth. That is the plastic bushings worn out causing this, a revxp will do the same after 2500 miles.

I've hit things that have thrown me off my sled, and I've hit huge washouts that have bottomed out only one side (float) and I have no tweaks anywhere.
Again, with BRASS BUSHINGS!.

With sloppy plastic a arms bushings and worn out ball joints 3 inchs out can happen. And then the next ride you measure it's the other side that is out. This is almost for sure the case.

This frame isn't that strong I admit but it does not bend back and fourth that much. And if it didn't it would let go real quick.

 

[TurboJamie]

I think after doing some pondering on why they maybe bend is possibly the slop in the front end.

Combine the A arm bushing slop with the balljoint slop and the frond end can move a fair amount. Now say this was ridgid with no slop and took a hit the system would take the hit as a whole, spindles and A arms.

Now introduce some slop, the system takes the hit as individual parts so there is more chance to bend? Just thinking out loud on that one.

My other thought was that if there is slop then it gives the hit more inertia to bend the piece hard to explain but say you hit a rock on the trail for instance and the frond end is ridgid then everything takes the hit as a whole. Now hit it with the slop and it gives the chance anyways in my mind to almost hammer the whole frond end because it has the free slop to take up before getting to the busing or spindle so the impact just became harder?

Maybe Im wrong just some of my ideas on the issue.

 

[cannondale27]

It very well could contribute.Think of a impact wrench.Many small blows gives more force than one big blow.Sorry for commenting here.Feel free to erase.

 

[nate007]

I just got a call from the service rep at my dealership, and they just told me that my worn out, sloppy, bent front end will not be covered under warranty, and that there is nothing they can do about it. They said it was damage from riding...
After 2 brand new sleds in the last 2 years, and an XTX on order, I'm starting to be a little concerned...

 

[TurboJamie]

Thats very dissappointing.

 

[Srxspec]

First 30 miles and stock a-arm bushings = a bent front end last season. Oilite bushings from there on out and 1000+ miles later and not a single problem. Coincidence? Possibly. I think the "slop" has alot to do with it as well though. Next step is to find good replacement lower ball joints.

 

[nate007]

Allen,
What are the current aftermarket options for the FX chassis, arms and all? Is there stuff that you have?

 

[lucky_7]

I just picked mine up from the dealer due to the front end being bent....none of it was covered under warranty. It should be good to go....at least until I ride it on (GASP) hard trails!

 

[wigman1]

I've been buying brand new Yamahas for over 20 years, and Yamaha is making a VERY big mistake here. Look at every single piece of literature and all of the advertisements they put out on the Nytro. DID YOU SEE ONE SINGLE PHOTO OF THE FAMILY TAKING A LIESURELY RIDE ON A GROOMED TRAIL???? Nope, you saw nothing but pictures of some guy beating the bejeezus out of his Nytro. In my humble opinion, if you advertise your sleds as being designed to be ridden like that, you better be ready to cover the warranty claims for wear and tear damages. PERIOD. Chrysler Corp takes care of Jeep Wrangler owners who off-road and something breaks, Yamaha should do the same with their sleds. Maybe the Attorney General's Office Consumer Protection BUreau needs to hear about this lack of warranty coverage on Nytros that aren't holding up under normal use - 'normal' being the way THEY advertise them being used. On top of that, this is a SAFETY issue and should be recalled by the NHTSA - if one of these front ends falls apart at 90mph, someone is going to DIE. One thing's for sure, we were looking at the 2009 Nytro XTX, but I'm not buying another Yammi until this thing with the 2008's is resolved. GET WITH IT, YAMAHA. Just a thought. Wig

 

[AKrider]

Yamaha not doing anything doesn't come as a surprise to me. My dealer said when the RX-1's first came out, they bent several spindles on their personal sleds and saw some customers do the same thing. Yamaha wouldn't warranty the parts. They did improve the spindles on later models. Same thing with my Vector. I cracked the front arm in the rear suspension and found out that others (on this site) had the same problem. My sled was out of warranty so I had to buy and install the part myself. I noticed the XTX rear skid (CK style) has gussets on the front arm. My Vector did not.

I know the front end on the Nytro is not a durable as it could be but I'm guessing that Yamaha has not seen enough claims versus units sold to justify a recall. My thinking is that even though you can find posts all over TY and on the other forums complaining about front end issues, we are a very small percentage of users experiencing these problems. My guess is the majority of Nytro owners don't ride their sleds hard enough to develop problems.

 

[fx10mtx]

Mine has bent too. Five others are also bent in my town, as i know.
No one has their frame claimed by Yamaha. They've all paid or claimed it to insurance cie. Dealer said Yamaha suppose to be coming out with something like a recall or service bulletin... We don't know exactly.
All these frame has bent at the same place: where the rivet that holds the rubber boot for the stabilizer bar is.

 

[Easy Rider]

First 30 miles and stock a-arm bushings = a bent front end last season. Oilite bushings from there on out and 1000+ miles later and not a single problem. Coincidence? Possibly. I think the "slop" has alot to do with it as well though. Next step is to find good replacement lower ball joints.

Where did you get your oilite bushings for your Nitro? Did the same thing with our Doos. Replaced the plastic with bronze bushings and REALLY tightened up the front end. Might as well get the parts replaced with 'good stuff' before the snow flies.

I have a lot of my Doo riding buds just waiting for this new XTX to fall flat on its face and I can't let that happen like it did with my 03 RX1.

 

[EsonPZ]

First 30 miles and stock a-arm bushings = a bent front end last season. Oilite bushings from there on out and 1000+ miles later and not a single problem. Coincidence? Possibly. I think the "slop" has alot to do with it as well though. Next step is to find good replacement lower ball joints.

Where did you get your oilite bushings for your Nitro? Did the same thing with our Doos. Replaced the plastic with bronze bushings and REALLY tightened up the front end. Might as well get the parts replaced with 'good stuff' before the snow flies.

I have a lot of my Doo riding buds just waiting for this new XTX to fall flat on its face and I can't let that happen like it did with my 03 RX1.

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