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OW40 oil

Discussion in 'SideWinder Trail Talk' started by Fast, Apr 16, 2019.


  1. Fast

    Fast TY 4 Stroke Guru

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    Is this a myth or has anyone noticed a loss in power running the yamalube 0W40 compared to 0W30 semi synthetic
     
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    1nc 2000 Lifetime Member Tim Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Fast is that your sled in your avatar?
     
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    I used it in my Nytro and now use it in my Viper. I did not notice any difference. I think the only way anyone is going to be able to validate or discard this idea is to run a sled on a dyno with each oil and compare the HP/Torque curves.
     
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    No i think its from port yamaha put the pic up before mine arrived
     
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    Reason im asking is on another site guys are saying they put the 0W40 in and noticed buddies doo was faster then drained it and put in 0W30 back in and he was faster again
     
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    Let's see a picture of your sled with right boot and left glove sitting on the right running board.
     
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  9. Fast

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    Thats what i was thinking i wouldn't think it would make a difference until we hit 50 weight but you never know
     
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    It will make a difference. Anytime you increase viscosity it takes power to move the fluid through the system. You have a certain oil clearance in all parts and when you thicken the oil it makes the pump work harder to push the oil as well as weakening the film strength as you are not moving as much oil across the surface. Same would be said if you went to 0/20 oil. It will pick up power but at what expense. In automotive racing engines we have seen significant increase in power off oil as the viscosity drops. If these engines are set up for 30wt I would not go to a 40wt as you really do more damage than protection. This is not a snake oil theory it has been proven over and over again. Fact is many high end racing engines run a 0wt oil. It indeed looks like water.....

    I suggest running a good synthetic turbo specific racing oil for your best protection.

    Again this is not an opinion but can be proven from many dyno pulls and years of racing data.
     
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    Nice,how come some dealers are putting in 0w40 on 1st oil change and the others are using 0w30 doesnt the manual say 0w30?
     
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    I suggest you read up.....

    M1 5w30 for all my 4s sleds.

    https://ty4stroke.com/threads/whats-everyone-running-for-oil-with-tune.149935/#post-1386014

    Dan

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    Mobil 1 5w30

    5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi (NOT Hi Mileage NOR Extended Perf)
    zinc = 801 ppm
    phos = 842 ppm
    moly = 112 ppm

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    Here's the ranking list:

    For those folks who are interested in this real world test data, below is the “Load Carrying Capacity/Film Strength” ranking list from all the real world motor oil “Wear Testing” I’ve performed so far on new oils, at a representative operational temperature of 230*F. The list includes modern API certified low zinc oils, traditional high zinc High Performance/Racing oils, Diesel oils, low zinc oils with zinc additives added in, and Break-In oils.

    Lower ranked oils are not necessarily “bad”, they simply don’t provide as much wear protection capability as higher ranked oils. If you have been running a low ranked oil in your engine without issue, that doesn't mean you have a great oil, it only means that your engine's wear protection needs have not exceeded that oil's capability. And as long as your engine's needs don't exceed that oil's capability, you will never have a problem. But, if unexpected circumstances come up that make your engine's needs exceed that oil's capability, such as an overheating condition, an oiling condition, a loading condition, some parts heading south, or whatever, your engine can end up junk. But, if you'd been using an oil with a much higher capability, it could still provide enough extra protection to save your engine. So, each person has to decide for themselves, which motor oil provides the wear protection capability they are comfortable with, for any given engine build.

    All oil bottles involved in the testing were thoroughly shaken before the samples were taken. This ensured that all the additive package components were distributed uniformly throughout all the oil in the bottle, and not settled to the bottom.

    Test result differences between oils of less than 10% are not significant, and oils within that range can be considered approximately equivalent.

    An oil's "wear protection" capability that was tested here, and an oil's "friction reduction" capability, are two entirely different things. While this test data provides excellent information about an oil's ability to prevent wear, it says nothing about an oil's ability to reduce friction. So, the data here will not provide any information regarding differences in HP potential.

    The ppm quantities of zinc, phos, moly and in some cases titanium, shown in the list, are directly from the Lab Reports that came back from the Professional Lab “ALS Tribology” in Sparks, Nevada. Some oils have more zinc than phos, while other oils have more phos than zinc. It just depends on the particular oil’s formulation. Either way, the numbers are correct and are NOT typos.

    NOTE: The higher the psi value, the BETTER the wear protection. And this applies to ANY engine, including High Performance flat tappet engines.

    That psi value is determined by the testing "load" being applied (which of course, is the EXACT SAME for every oil tested), over the "area" of the wear scar that is created on the test specimen, as the test is being performed. So, the result is "pounds" of force being applied over the wear scar "area", which is in square inches. Or in other words, pounds per square inch, which of course is just shortened to "psi". The better an oil's wear protection capability, the smaller the wear scar will be on the test specimen, and the higher the resulting psi value will be.


    Oil categories for gasoline engines:

    • Over 90,000 psi = OUTSTANDING wear protection

    • 75,000 to 90,000 psi = GOOD wear protection

    • 60,000 to 75,000 psi = MODEST wear protection

    • Below 60,000 psi = UNDESIRABLE wear protection




    1. 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM synthetic = 115,612 psi
    I have not been able to find this oil with the latest API SN certification. The bottle says, “No leading synthetic oil provides better wear protection”. For once, a product’s hype turns out to be true. And this oil provides MORE THAN TWICE as much wear protection as the lowest ranked oil on this list.
    zinc = 806 ppm
    phos = 812 ppm
    moly = 66 ppm

    2. 10W30 Lucas Racing Only synthetic = 106,505 psi
    zinc = 2642 ppm
    phos = 3489 ppm
    moly = 1764 ppm
    NOTE: This oil is suitable for short term racing use only, and is not suitable for street use.

    3. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi (NOT Hi Mileage NOR Extended Perf)
    zinc = 801 ppm
    phos = 842 ppm
    moly = 112 ppm


    4. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN synthetic = 105,008 psi
    zinc = 824 ppm
    phos = 960 ppm
    moly = 161 ppm

    5. 10W30 Valvoline NSL (Not Street Legal) Conventional Racing Oil = 103,846 psi
    zinc = 1669 ppm
    phos = 1518 ppm
    moly = 784 ppm
    NOTE: This oil is suitable for short term racing use only, and is not suitable for street use.

    6. 5W50 Motorcraft, API SN synthetic = 103,517 psi
    zinc = 606 ppm
    phos = 742 ppm
    moly = 28 ppm

    7. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Conventional Racing Oil (silver bottle) = 103,505 psi
    zinc = 1472 ppm
    phos = 1544 ppm
    moly = 3 ppm

    8. 10W30 Valvoline VR1 Synthetic Racing Oil, API SL (black bottle) = 101,139 psi
    zinc = 1180 ppm
    phos = 1112 ppm
    moly = 162 ppm

    9. 5W30 Chevron Supreme, API SN conventional = 100,011 psi
    This oil only cost $4.29 per quart at an Auto Parts Store when I bought it.
    zinc = 1018 ppm
    phos = 728 ppm
    moly = 161 ppm

    10. 5W20 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN synthetic = 99,983 psi
    zinc = 1042 ppm
    phos = 857 ppm
    moly = 100 ppm
    titanium = 49 ppm

    11. 5W30 Pennzoil Platinum, API SN synthetic = 99,949 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    12. 20W50 Castrol GTX ,API SN conventional = 96,514 psi
    zinc = 610 ppm
    phos = 754 ppm
    moly = 94 ppm

    13. 30 wt Red Line Race Oil synthetic = 96,470 psi
    zinc = 2207 ppm
    phos = 2052 ppm
    moly = 1235 ppm
    NOTE: This oil is suitable for short term racing use only, and is not suitable for street use.

    14. 0W20 Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy, API SN synthetic = 96,364 psi
    zinc = 742 ppm
    phos = 677 ppm
    moly = 81 ppm

    15. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN synthetic = 95,920 psi
    zinc = 877 ppm
    phos = 921 ppm
    moly = 72 ppm

    16. 5W30 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN synthetic = 95,717 psi
    zinc = 818 ppm
    phos = 883 ppm
    moly = 90 ppm
    titanium = 44 ppm

    17. 10W30 Joe Gibbs XP3 NASCAR Racing Oil synthetic = 95,543 psi
    zinc = 743 ppm
    phos = 802 ppm
    moly = 1125 ppm
    NOTE: This oil is suitable for short term racing use only, and is not suitable for street use.

    18. 5W20 Castrol GTX, API SN conventional = 95,543 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD
    NOTE: Oil numbers 17 and 18 were tested weeks apart, but due to the similarities in their wear scar sizes, their averages ended up the same.

    19. 5W30 Castrol GTX ,API SN conventional = 95,392 psi
    zinc = 830 ppm
    phos = 791 ppm
    moly = 1 ppm

    20. 10W30 Amsoil Z-Rod Oil synthetic = 95,360 psi
    zinc = 1431 ppm
    phos = 1441 ppm
    moly = 52 ppm

    21. 5W30 Havoline, API SN conventional = 95,098 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    22. 5W30 Valvoline SynPower, API SN synthetic = 94,942 psi
    zinc = 969 ppm
    phos = 761 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    23. 5W30 Valvoline Premium Conventional, API SN = 94,744 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    24. 5W20 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 94,663 psi
    zinc = 764 ppm
    phos = 698 ppm
    moly = 76 ppm

    25. 5W20 Valvoline SynPower, API SN synthetic = 94,460 psi
    zinc = 1045 ppm
    phos = 742 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    26. 5W30 Lucas, API SN conventional = 92,073 psi
    zinc = 992 ppm
    phos = 760 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    27. 5W30 O'Reilly (house brand), API SN conventional = 91,433 psi
    This oil only cost $3.99 per quart at an Auto Parts Store when I bought it.
    zinc = 863 ppm
    phos = 816 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    28. 5W30 Maxima RS530 Synthetic Racing Oil = 91,162 psi
    zinc = 2162 ppm
    phos = 2294 ppm
    moly = 181 ppm

    29. 5W30 Red Line, API SN synthetic = 91,028 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    30. 5W20 Royal Purple API SN synthetic = 90,434 psi
    zinc = 964 ppm
    phos = 892 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    31. 10W30 Quaker State Defy, API SL semi-synthetic = 90,226 psi
    zinc = 1221 ppm
    phos = 955 ppm
    moly = 99 ppm

    32. 10W60 Castrol TWS Motorsport, API SJ conventional = 90,163 psi
    This oil is manufactured in Europe and is sold in the US for BMW models M3, M5, M6, Z4M, and Z8.
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    33. 5W20 Valvoline Premium Conventional, API SN = 90,144 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    34. 5W30 Havoline, API SN synthetic = 89,406 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    35. 30 wt Castrol Heavy Duty, API SM conventional = 88,089 psi
    zinc = 907 ppm
    phos = 829 ppm
    moly = 56 ppm

    36. 20W50 LAT Synthetic Racing Oil, API SM = 87,930 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    37. 5W30 Valvoline Nextgen 50% Recycled Oil, API SN conventional = 87,563 psi
    zinc = 947 ppm
    phos = 778 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    38. 10W30 Joe Gibbs HR4 Hotrod Oil synthetic = 86,270 psi
    zinc = 1247 ppm
    phos = 1137 ppm
    moly = 24 ppm

    39. 5W20 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM synthetic = 86,034 psi
    I have not been able to find this oil with the latest API SN certification.
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    40. 15W40 RED LINE Diesel Oil synthetic, API CJ-4/CI-4 PLUS/CI-4/CF/CH-4/CF-4/SM/SL/SH/EO-O = 85,663 psi
    zinc = 1615 ppm
    phos = 1551 ppm
    moly = 173 ppm

    41. 5W30 Castrol Edge w/Syntec, API SN (formerly Castrol Syntec) black bottle, synthetic = 85,179 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    42. 5W30 Royal Purple API SN synthetic = 84,009 psi
    zinc = 942 ppm
    phos = 817 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    43. 20W50 Royal Purple API SN synthetic = 83,487 psi
    zinc = 588 ppm
    phos = 697 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    44. 20W50 Kendall GT-1 High Performance with liquid titanium, API SN conventional = 83,365 psi
    zinc = 991 ppm
    phos = 1253 ppm
    moly = 57 ppm
    titanium = 84 ppm

    45. 5W30 Mobil 1 Extended Performance 15,000 mile, API SN synthetic = 83,263 psi
    zinc = 890 ppm
    phos = 819 ppm
    moly = 104 ppm

    46. 0W20 Castrol Edge with Titanium, API SN synthetic = 82,867 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    47. 5W30 LAT Synthetic Racing Oil, API SM = 81,800 psi
    zinc = 1784 ppm
    phos = 1539 ppm
    moly = 598 ppm

    48. 5W30 Peak, API SN synthetic = 80,716 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    49. 5W30 Edelbrock "Cat-Safe", API SM synthetic = 78,609 psi
    This oil is made for Edelbrock by Torco
    zinc = 924 ppm
    phos = 659 ppm
    moly = 28 ppm

    50. 15W40 ROYAL PURPLE Diesel Oil synthetic, API CJ-4 /SM, CI-4 PLUS, CH-4, CI-4 = 76,997 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    51. 5W30 Pennzoil, API SN yellow bottle, conventional = 76,989 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    52. 10W40 Chevron Supreme, API SN conventional = 76,806 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    53. 5W30 Lucas API SM synthetic = 76,584 psi
    zinc = 1134 ppm
    phos = 666 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    54. 5W30 GM's AC Delco dexos 1 API SN semi-synthetic = 76,501 psi
    zinc = 878 ppm
    phos = 758 ppm
    moly = 72 ppm

    55. 5W50 Castrol Edge with Syntec API SN, synthetic, formerly Castrol Syntec, black bottle = 75,409 psi
    zinc = 1252 ppm
    phos = 1197 ppm
    moly = 71 ppm

    56. 5W30 Royal Purple XPR (Extreme Performance Racing) synthetic = 74,860 psi
    zinc = 1421 ppm
    phos = 1338 ppm
    moly = 204 ppm
    NOTE: This particular bottle of oil was just opened, but was out of a 3 ½ year old case.

    57. 5W40 MOBIL 1 TURBO DIESEL TRUCK synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4 and ACEA E7 = 74,312 psi
    zinc = 1211 ppm
    phos = 1168 ppm
    moly = 2 ppm

    58. 5W30 Peak, API SN conventional = 73,690 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    59. 15W40 CHEVRON DELO 400LE Diesel Oil, conventional, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CH-4, CF-4,CF/SM, = 73,520 psi
    zinc = 1519 ppm
    phos = 1139 ppm
    moly = 80 ppm

    60. 15W40 MOBIL DELVAC 1300 SUPER Diesel Oil conventional, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4/SM, SL = 73,300 psi
    zinc = 1297 ppm
    phos = 1944 ppm
    moly = 46 ppm

    61. 15W40 Farm Rated Heavy Duty Performance Diesel Oil conventional CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF/SL, SJ = 73,176 psi
    zinc = 1325ppm
    phos = 1234 ppm
    moly = 2 ppm

    62. 15W40 SHELL ROTELLA T Diesel Oil conventional, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CH-4, CF-4,CF/SM = 72,022 psi
    zinc = 1454 ppm
    phos = 1062 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    63. Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 Nitro 70 Racing Oil semi-synthetic = 72,003 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    64. 0W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 semi-synthetic = 71,377 psi
    zinc = 1621 ppm
    phos = 1437 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    65. 15W40 “OLD” SHELL ROTELLA T Diesel Oil conventional, API CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4,CG-4,CF-4,CF,SL, SJ, SH = 71,214 psi
    zinc = 1171 ppm
    phos = 1186 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    66. 10W30 Brad Penn, Penn Grade 1 semi-synthetic = 71,206 psi
    zinc = 1557 ppm
    phos = 1651 ppm
    moly = 3 ppm

    67. 15W40 VALVOLINE PREMIUM BLUE HEAVY DUTY DIESEL Oil conventional, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF/SM = 70,869 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    68. 15W50 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 70,235 psi
    zinc = 1,133 ppm
    phos = 1,168 ppm
    moly = 83 ppm

    69. 5W40 CHEVRON DELO 400LE Diesel Oil synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, SL, SM = 69,631 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    70. 30wt Edelbrock Break-In Oil conventional = 69,160 psi
    zinc = 1545 ppm
    phos = 1465 ppm
    moly = 4 ppm

    71. 5W30 Motorcraft, API SN synthetic = 68,782 psi
    zinc = 796 ppm
    phos = 830 ppm
    moly = 75 ppm

    72. 10W40 Edelbrock synthetic = 68,603 psi
    zinc = 1193 ppm
    phos = 1146 ppm
    moly = 121 ppm
    This oil is manufactured for Edelbrock by Torco.


    73. 5W40 SHELL ROTELLA T6 Diesel Oil synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL = 67,804 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    74. 15W40 LUCAS MAGNUM Diesel Oil, conventional, API CI-4,CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF/SL = 66,476 psi
    zinc = 1441 ppm
    phos = 1234 ppm
    moly = 76 ppm

    75. 15W40 CASTROL GTX DIESEL Oil conventional, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4/SN = 66,323 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    76. 10W30 Royal Purple HPS (High Performance Street) synthetic = 66,211 psi
    zinc = 1774 ppm
    phos = 1347 ppm
    moly = 189 ppm

    77. 10W40 Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil, API SJ conventional = 65,553 psi
    zinc = 1154 ppm
    phos = 1075 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    78. 5W30 Klotz Estorlin Racing Oil, API SL synthetic = 64,175 psi
    zinc = 1765 ppm
    phos = 2468 ppm
    moly = 339 ppm

    79. “ZDDPlus” added to Royal Purple 20W50, API SN, synthetic = 63,595 psi
    zinc = 2436 ppm (up 1848 ppm)
    phos = 2053 ppm (up 1356 ppm)
    moly = 2 ppm (up 2 ppm)

    The amount of ZDDPlus added to the oil, was the exact amount the manufacturer called for on the bottle. And the resulting psi value here was 24% LOWER than this oil had BEFORE the ZDDPlus was added to it. Most major Oil Companies say to NEVER add anything to their oils, because adding anything will upset the carefully balanced additive package, and ruin the oil’s chemical composition. And that is precisely what we see here. Adding ZDDPlus SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED this oil’s wear prevention capability. Just the opposite of what was promised. Buyer beware.

    80. Royal Purple 10W30 Break-In Oil conventional = 62,931 psi
    zinc = 1170 ppm
    phos = 1039 ppm
    moly = 0 ppm

    81. 10W30 Lucas Hot Rod & Classic Hi-Performance Oil, conventional = 62,538 psi
    zinc = 2116 ppm
    phos = 1855 ppm
    moly = 871 ppm

    82. 0W20 Klotz Estorlin Racing Oil, API SL synthetic = 60,941 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    83. 10W30 Comp Cams Muscle Car & Street Rod Oil, synthetic blend = 60,413 psi
    zinc = 1673 ppm
    phos = 1114 ppm
    moly = 67 ppm
    This oil is manufactured for Comp Cams by Endure.

    84. 10W40 Torco TR-1 Racing Oil with MPZ conventional = 59,905 psi
    zinc = 1456 ppm
    phos = 1150 ppm
    moly = 227 ppm

    85. 10W40 Summit Racing Premium Racing Oil, API SL = 59,483 psi
    This oil is made for Summit by I.L.C.
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD

    86. 10W40 Edelbrock conventional = 59,120 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD
    This oil is manufactured for Edelbrock by Torco.

    87. 0W20 LAT Synthetic Racing Oil, API SM = 57,228 psi
    zinc = TBD
    phos = TBD
    moly = TBD


    88. “ZDDPlus” added to O’Reilly (house brand) 5W30, API SN, conventional = 56,728 psi
    zinc = 2711 ppm (up 1848 ppm)
    phos = 2172 ppm (up 1356 ppm)
    moly = 2 ppm (up 2 ppm)

    The amount of ZDDPlus added to the oil, was the exact amount the manufacturer called for on the bottle. And the resulting psi value here was 38% LOWER than this oil had BEFORE the ZDDPlus was added to it. Adding ZDDPlus SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED this oil’s wear prevention capability. Just the opposite of what was promised. Buyer beware.


    89. “ZDDPlus” added to Motorcraft 5W30, API SN, synthetic = 56,243 psi
    zinc = 2955 ppm (up 1848 ppm)
    phos = 2114 ppm (up 1356 ppm)
    moly = 76 ppm (up 2 ppm)

    The amount of ZDDPlus added to the oil, was the exact amount the manufacturer called for on the bottle. And the resulting psi value here was 12% LOWER than this oil had BEFORE the ZDDPlus was added to it. Adding ZDDPlus SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED this oil’s wear prevention capability. Just the opposite of what was promised. Buyer beware.

    90. “Edelbrock Zinc Additive” added to Royal Purple 5W30, API SN, synthetic = 54,044 psi
    zinc = 1515 ppm (up 573 ppm)
    phos = 1334 ppm (up 517 ppm)
    moly = 15 ppm (up 15 ppm)

    The amount of Edelbrock Zinc Additive added to the oil, was the exact amount the manufacturer called for on the bottle. And the resulting psi value here was a whopping 36% LOWER than this oil had BEFORE the Edelbrock Zinc Additive was added to it. Adding Edelbrock Zinc Additive SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED this oil’s wear prevention capability. Just the opposite of what was promised. Buyer beware.

    91. 10W30 Comp Cams Break-In Oil conventional = 51,749 psi
    zinc = 3004 ppm
    phos = 2613 ppm
    moly = 180 ppm

    92. “Edelbrock Zinc Additive” added to Lucas 5W30, API SN, conventional = 51,545 psi
    zinc = 1565 ppm (up 573 ppm)
    phos = 1277 ppm (up 517 ppm)
    moly = 15 ppm (up 15 ppm)

    The amount of Edelbrock Zinc Additive added to the oil, was the exact amount the manufacturer called for on the bottle. And the resulting psi value here was a “breath taking” 44% LOWER than this oil had BEFORE the Edelbrock Zinc Additive was added to it. Adding Edelbrock Zinc Additive SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED this oil’s wear prevention capability. Just the opposite of what was promised. Buyer beware.

    93. “Edelbrock Zinc Additive” added to Motorcraft 5W30, API SN, synthetic = 50,202 psi
    zinc = 1680 ppm (up 573 ppm)
    phos = 1275 ppm (up 517 ppm)
    moly = 89 ppm (up 15 ppm)

    The amount of Edelbrock Zinc Additive added to the oil, was the exact amount the manufacturer called for on the bottle. And the resulting psi value here was 22% LOWER than this oil had BEFORE the Edelbrock Zinc Additive was added to it. Adding Edelbrock Zinc Additive SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED this oil’s wear prevention capability. Just the opposite of what was promised. Buyer beware.

    94. 30wt Lucas Break-In Oil conventional = 49,455 psi
    zinc = 4483 ppm
    phos = 3660 ppm
    moly = 3 ppm

    At the end of the day, it is not my goal to convince anyone of anything. I’m simply sharing valuable real world test data for folks to consider. Everyone can obviously decide for themselves if they want to embrace this data and make use of it, or if they simply want to ignore it.

    540 RAT
    Member SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers)
     
  13. Turboflash

    Turboflash TY 4 Stroke Master

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    Location:
    Rochester, MN
    Country:
    USA
    Snowmobile:
    '17 ZR9000 Ltd. PEFI Stg 4.
    I've read 540 RAT oil blog and he seems to have sufficient credentials that support his methods and findings. IMO it makes sense but everyone gets to decide for themselves.
    Here is a link to entire post: https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/motor-oil-wear-test-ranking/

    BTW - if you read the entire paper, he goes into details regarding oil viscosity vs. ability to lubricate and protect. Do not assume higher viscosity equals better lubrication. That's not true.
     
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  14. Mototown

    Mototown TY 4 Stroke Junkie

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    735
    Location:
    Ontario
    Country:
    Canada
    Snowmobile:
    Apex 40 th
    That's skidoo oil so u can't compare it to Yamaha oil .... lol
     
  15. jonlafon1

    jonlafon1 Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Location:
    Mount Morris, WI. Chaney Lake, Upper MI eh!
    Country:
    USA
    Snowmobile:
    2022 Sidewinder LTX_SE
    ...
    2017 Sidewinder LTX-SE. 11750 miles (SOLD)
    ..
    2021 Cat 8000
    Lol. How would one notice? I got pencil and pad of paper for this one also! I’m ready.
     
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  16. KnappAttack

    KnappAttack 24X ISR World Drag Racing Champion VIP Member

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    Location:
    Welch MN
    Country:
    USA
    Snowmobile:
    2017 Sidewinder LTX-LE
    People can put whatever oil they want in their sled, but no way no how would I use a 40 weight oil in the Sidewinder if you want all its performance. Apparently you missed the gripe of a performance loss by one of the Magazines where they lost speed after an oil change, I'm certain the dealer put in a 40 wt. oil in place of the 30 wt oil. I have experienced firsthand a loss of power running 40 wt. vs a 30 wt. oil.

    Its a proven fact lighter viscosity oil makes more power with less pumping loss. I would not recommend putting in 0-40 in place of the 0-30.


    Check this out below.
    0W-30 to 5W-40 ??
     

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