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Real World 1500 Mile Low Down of new Ski Doo XR-S 900 Turbo vs. SideWinder

stevewithOCD said:
Depends on rpm's, age, girth, alcohol content, LDL count, single or married and most importantly if you had sex within 2 hours of the event.
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I want the “The Real Lowdown 1500 hard miles on the new model vs. the old lady”
I think you forgot one very real piece of the equation.....Viagra dosage?
 

Please take this vail from off my eyes, my burning sun will someday rise, what am I gonna be doing for awhile, said I’m gonna play with myself, show them now we’ve come off the shelf....... Summer Time the living’s easy, working on the sled when it’s 80, riders on the boost will agree, well qualified to represent OCD, D D..........

:drink:
 
74Nitro said:
"I ran two strokes for years and when I went to 4 strokes I was amazed by the quicker pull of a sled with less hp that had the same top end as a two stroke with more hp."
This statement is wrong because an Apex had the SAME hp as most 800's of the day, 150-155.
Therefore, your statement should read - "I ran two strokes for years and when I went to 4 strokes I was amazed by the quicker pull of a sled with less torque that had the same top end as a two stroke with more torque."
This would be true since the most torque an 800 had was 100ish, while the Apex peaked about 83ish.
You were amazed by the horsepower.
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This is worse than watching paint dry
 
Aahh summer, it's all quiet on the forum except for the faint sound of men beating their chests and comparing their johnsons. :)
 
KnappAttack said:
Don’t tell the sasquatch, because it has inadequate TQ, and will lay absolute waste to his sidewinder. According to him it can’t get out of its own way because of the lack of TQ. Must be FAKE NEWS!


TQ this and TQ that. Laughable. HP and RPM wins races. If it didn’t, F1 cars and superbikes wouldn’t be spinning up around 20000 RPM. Raw HP and RPM is what matters, not big TQ.
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Now if you want to talk about fake news. Please show me where I said anything would lay waste to my sidewinder? I made a simple statement that even you have failed to prove wrong. More torque = More hp. Instead you go on the attack and make up fake news. I have never said hp does not win races but I did say without torque there is no hp. Right from the beginning I have said you can't have hp without torque, more torque more hp, less torque less hp. No one has proven that to be wrong. I have even said when people seemed to be thinking I meant peak torque that I did not mean that at all.

Plug in any torque number at 20000rpm calculate hp now plug in a higher torque number at 20000rpm and calculate. Did the hp increase? Guess what its not fake news torque did that. Now to the Apex not making more then 77 ft/pd of torque. Yes I used clutch speed because guess what the clutch is connected to the crankshaft via a gear reducer which increases torque. Rpm is 8500 at the belt how can I use torque at crank speed before the reducer? I have to use it after the reducer as in clutch speed. Why does everyone seem to have a big problem with this?
 
74Nitro said:
Oh dear. Apples to oranges. Now you want to compare crankshaft torque to non-crankshaft torque. An Apex engine doesn't make 100 ft/pds of torque. As I stated earlier it makes 83ish, yet is as fast as an engine that makes 100 ft/lbs. All due to HP.
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The motor at the clutch makes 100ish ft/pds of torque, if you put a dyno on the clutch shaft it will read a higher torque then the crankshaft to which we can not bolt a dyno. We can only bolt it to the clutch. I think what you are trying to say is the gear reducer bolted to the engine is now not part of the engine but yet we bolted a clutch to it and now want to compare it to an engine without a gear reducer. Only way to compare apples to apples is off the clutch after the reducer not before it. Gear reducer increases torque, reduces rpm and makes no difference to hp. It is as fast as an engine with 100 ft/pds or torque because it has a 100ft/pds of torque and at the same rpm the same hp because of 100ft/pds of torque. Why is this so hard to grasp?
 
Let me ask this question to maybe clear the air.
That first "grunt" when we crack the throttle, is that Torque or Horsepower?
I realize HP & rpm's wins races, but what gives us that arm pull?
I think this is what the Squatch is talking about.
I know my Ninja 1000 or FZ-1 was WAAAAYYYY "faster" then every Hardley i've ever ridden with, but some of those built ones could pull hard on the bottom especially without shifting gears. I would have to down shift & keep rpm's above 10,000. HP and aerodynamics would take over once i got going.
So, wasn't that their V-twin torque that would get me on throttle up since their HP was lower then mine?
Orrrrrrrrr, do they have have more HP at the bottom and that's why they stretch the arms cuz mine didn't build the HP until after 6000 or so just like our Winders?
 
74Nitro said:
"Don't forget gear reduction increases torque at the clutch while hp stays the same."
The definition of horsepower is the rate at which work is done.
Therefore, you are actually making the case for horsepower, you just don't realize it. :)
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Yes it does, you are correct and I have never made a case against hp, only one of there is no hp without torque. HP is a derivative of torque times rpm. More torque=more hp. Hp does not exist without torque. A dyno does not see hp it sees torque and rpm. HP is a calculation made from those numbers based on work (torque) time (rpm) divided by the constant of 5252 the mathematical formula was derived by the amount of work a horse could do in a given time = horse power. Some have said hp is king and torque is not king yet ironically increasing torque increases hp. So torque is king and hp is the result.
 
Sasquatch said:
Now if you want to talk about fake news. Please show me where I said anything would lay waste to my sidewinder? I made a simple statement that even you have failed to prove wrong. More torque = More hp. Instead you go on the attack and make up fake news. I have never said hp does not win races but I did say without torque there is no hp. Right from the beginning I have said you can't have hp without torque, more torque more hp, less torque less hp. No one has proven that to be wrong. I have even said when people seemed to be thinking I meant peak torque that I did not mean that at all.

Plug in any torque number at 20000rpm calculate hp now plug in a higher torque number at 20000rpm and calculate. Did the hp increase? Guess what its not fake news torque did that. Now to the Apex not making more then 77 ft/pd of torque. Yes I used clutch speed because guess what the clutch is connected to the crankshaft via a gear reducer which increases torque. Rpm is 8500 at the belt how can I use torque at crank speed before the reducer? I have to use it after the reducer as in clutch speed. Why does everyone seem to have a big problem with this?
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If you can’t dazzle em with Brilliance, Baffle em with Bullshit^^^^^^^^

You’ve been proven wrong every time you’ve spoke when will you give up?

Sasquatch said:
Its torque that pulls your arms out!
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torque is a static measurement of force (that means nothing is moving Squatch)
you can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque and no movement.

Like I said before you can have a 5 horsepower motor generate 1000 ft/lbs of torque but it certainly won’t ever pull your arms out!

HORSEPOWER IS HOW FAST YOU ACCELERATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MASS.

It’s scientifically proven, GOOGLE IT.
Your wrong, give it a break.

Let’s change the subject please let’s move on to something else!
 
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