Sick of all the hype

[low slung]

Maybe its me but I drove a 399lb ski doo TNT and thought it was horrible. I didn't feel the weight difference as much as the slug of a engine. I backpacked with my sled and had over 100lbs of gear with me on my bosted apex and a full tank fo fuel and compared that to the last day with no gear and almost empty fuel (trying to run it out last run of year) which is about 180lbs and again I didn't notice much difference. This is trail riding not mountain riding though. Maybe I dont ride hard as hard as knapp but I just cant tell any difference in weight???? Mine weighs 678lb ready to ride full of fuel I finally got a scale and weighed it myself.

Nothing gives me a rush like my SC apex. Maybe I just like power more then handling and big enough and strong enough to handle it? Dunno. Nothing on the market excites me like my sled does right now though.

Rode the 600E-TEC and 1200 in 2009 for 45minutes, very agressive.While they felt light it didn,t feel like 100lbs should feel .Riding my brothers 06 Nytro right after the difference only felt like 50lbs.The XP have alot of weight in the nose.You could really feel it of the jumps(but the rear skid was great).

 

[jaydaniels]

What is the difference in weight between an apex and a Nytro and how much of that difference is related to the weight of the motor.

arent the motors within 10 lbs? I think thats what I have heard before...[/quot

I think you are right. Any weight savings must be in the chassis so an Apex motor in a 'tweaked' Nytro Chassis should drop some weight.

 

[kinger]

Maybe its me but I drove a 399lb ski doo TNT and thought it was horrible. I didn't feel the weight difference as much as the slug of a engine. I backpacked with my sled and had over 100lbs of gear with me on my bosted apex and a full tank fo fuel and compared that to the last day with no gear and almost empty fuel (trying to run it out last run of year) which is about 180lbs and again I didn't notice much difference. This is trail riding not mountain riding though. Maybe I dont ride hard as hard as knapp but I just cant tell any difference in weight???? Mine weighs 678lb ready to ride full of fuel I finally got a scale and weighed it myself.

Nothing gives me a rush like my SC apex. Maybe I just like power more then handling and big enough and strong enough to handle it? Dunno. Nothing on the market excites me like my sled does right now though.

Rode the 600E-TEC and 1200 in 2009 for 45minutes, very agressive.While they felt light it didn,t feel like 100lbs should feel .Riding my brothers 06 Nytro right after the difference only felt like 50lbs.The XP have alot of weight in the nose.You could really feel it of the jumps(but the rear skid was great).

I would agree with that, I drove a 1200, 800 etec, 800 carb, turbo cat 1100, all about 20-30 miles and none were that impressive, I am a engineer and believe in data driven decsions so I try to not be biased but my mouth sure loves the SC apex LOL I cant stop smiling after the first 3 mins of a ride.

 

[dilligaf52]

I generally don’t post on these treads but I wanted to give some opinions based on my experience, I had an 03 Crossfire 700, at the time the worst most unreliable sled ever built according to most people - I never had any motor troubles and the guy I sold it too is still riding it, next sled was a 05 mtn viper - not one problem with the sled until I tried to get more power out of it with pipes etc. then it needed a rebuild, next was 08 Apex LTX, very fast and fit and finish was best of any sled I have owned before or since but at 50,60 or whatever mph across a field, lake or on a trail who can tell that the hood fits great, IMO fit and finish is only a factor in the garage when we are waiting to go riding again. I tried a lot of things to get myself to like the Apex, skis, seats, extended it to 144 - just did not fit my riding style but it was great on the lake or wide groomed trails. Next sled was Crossfire 800 - fun reliable sled and the fox floats front and rear made it easy to set up suspension for a great ride, next sled was a 2012 XF 800- the ride and handling were great but it left me walking and just didn’t trust it after, now I am trying a TNT 800, only 400 miles on it and a short track but it was fun so far. My point is that every sled has good and bad points, no sled is hands down better then all the rest for all types of riding, my friend rides a Nytro and loves it, I have spent some time on it and it really does not seem to handle much different than the XF or TNT for that matter and it is fun to ride, I am a big guy and I don’t really notice the weight difference between it and the XF so that is not an issue to me - he gets way better mileage than the rest of us but cant go any further because the tank is small and he is hard pressed to take a can of coke with him - no storage at all. Had I bought a Nytro instead of the Apex maybe I would sill be on it but the 2008 Nytro had its share of problems too so who knows. I don’t think anyone can deny that Yamahaha has the most reliable power plants right now, when and if they ever put the same thought and engineering into the suspension and handling I am sure they will once again have the top selling sled. Again just my opinions but I still believe brand should not be the first consideration in picking out a new sled, ride them all and get what’s feels the like the best fit to you, what ever will keep us all out riding and off the computer complaining.

 

[evil eagle]

Ya 40lbs is what I'm hearing also. I think a lot of magazines and people pass rumors of what they hope over what is truly being put out if you do your homework

40 LBS. is easy, just take off the power steering. Now take another 80+ Lbs. off to get down to where it should be, or to get even with a 1200 Doo.

I sold the my F1100 turbo Cat because it was still an overweight handfull when trying to run hard, its 65lbs lighter than the new powersteering Apex. They better target a WHOLE lot lighter for the guys who like to ride a little harder. Weight maters I don't care what anyone says. I'm done with heavy machines, but I still want a performance four-stroke that is fun and comfortable. Yamaha has to get with the program and fast!

I most certainly can tell the difference in the feel and weight between my apex and my buddies apex with a simmons front mount turbo kit. His drives not good.
Now for the 1200 thing. No nothing on this earth is as good as a 1200 skidoo. I don't know why all other manufsctures just give up and we all can drive skidoo 1200's

 

[RJH]

Too much to read..

So..basically nothing has changed since I started riding..in the 70's.

The only sled you should ride further than you can walk...is a Yamaha...

 

[yamaha1973]

Too much to read..

So..basically nothing has changed since I started riding..in the 70's.

The only sled you should ride further than you can walk...is a Yamaha...

X2

 

[Sasquatch]

40 LBS. is easy, just take off the power steering. Now take another 80+ Lbs. off to get down to where it should be, or to get even with a 1200 Doo.

Are you trying to say the power steering weighs 40pds? Really? That little power assist unit weighs 40pds?

1200 Doo is a nice sled but at 130hp stock its a no go for me. Besides why are we comparing a 1200 Doo to an Apex. A Nytro is more comparable.

Almost bought a Doo 1200 but instead I went with the Apex XTX. Na I'll stick with My 4 bangers even if they are heavier! The weight has never bothered me on the trail or even off trail for that matter. Course I do weigh a tad more then the average guy.

 

[yamaha1973]

40 LBS. is easy, just take off the power steering. Now take another 80+ Lbs. off to get down to where it should be, or to get even with a 1200 Doo.

Are you trying to say the power steering weighs 40pds? Really? That little power assist unit weighs 40pds?

the unit and all the components are probably 20-30 lbs, 40 might be a stretch...

 

[KnappAttack]

40 LBS. is easy, just take off the power steering. Now take another 80+ Lbs. off to get down to where it should be, or to get even with a 1200 Doo.

Are you trying to say the power steering weighs 40pds? Really? That little power assist unit weighs 40pds?

1200 Doo is a nice sled but at 130hp stock its a no go for me. Besides why are we comparing a 1200 Doo to an Apex. A Nytro is more comparable.

Almost bought a Doo 1200 but instead I went with the Apex XTX. Na I'll stick with My 4 bangers even if they are heavier! The weight has never bothered me on the trail or even off trail for that matter. Course I do weigh a tad more then the average guy.

All the components for power steering add #37 lbs to the machine. Close enough to call it 40 IMO.

130 HP sled is a no go for me too. That's why I had to up the ante to over 150 HP so I could out run the Apex. I had an Apex XTX too, couldn't take the weight and I don't weigh more than the average guy, but I'm working on it. Loved the Yami 4 banger, but the chassis need an overhaul. Too many other four-strokes out there now with good chassis's under them.

I'm talking about a 1200 because its ACTUAL dry weight is 120 lbs less than the powersteering equipped Apex, and 80 lbs lighter than the old Apex. Thats huge! I know everyone says they can not feel the weight going from a full to empty fuel tank, but I can and always could. To each their own, I want a lighter more nimble machine now. I'd easily go for another Yamaha if they get it right and light.

 

[STAIN]

I drove and considered a 1200 ski-doo before I traded my Nytro for an Apex. It seemed to carry more weight over the skis. It also felt very....."industrial" I also rode a 800 Renegade, Turbo Cat. Polaris Rush 600 and 800. GSX 600. 800 XP Vector
After riding all brands of sleds for 30 years and Yammis for the last 7 all I can say is this--when I get back on the other 3 they feel cheap. The quality is like going from a BMW to a Kia. It seems as though an 8 year old has assembled them. They shake. They vibrate. Thay are loud. The panels don't fit and fall off.
I come to here because I LIKE my Yamaha, not to piss and moan about it. Most people here are great. Some may no longer care for thier sled and wish to buy another brand. Each to his own I say, no ill will. Different strokes for different folks. I ride with all brands and get to test them all each year.
If you don't like your sled, get a new one, but don't feel obligated to tell us about it. Don't go away mad, just go away.
Man we need snow.................................

 

[sheetwright]

I'm saying 40lbs lighter then a Nytro fx not an apex.

 

[Murse]

I don't get it, I don't understand why someone would pay up to 15000 for a new sled and have it leave you walking. Now I get the suspensions are better but to say they outperform Yamaha's....I don't see it. I have never had any other brand out perform me yet. Straight and tight trails. I've tried Phazer, 600tnt and 800 etec they all have their pro's I liked them all and they were all fun with their own traits. But to say the weight bothers me? No i can't. I ride my knees up against knee pads on the doos and I'm more back on the apex my riding style is different from machine to machine and I do just fine on each of them. The weight for me has not been an issue. Only time I noticed it was when I was busting drifts the machine kinda has a mind of its own and pulls me out of the drift. I will learn to muscle it over. But I ride groomed trails and rarely need to go in the powder. I can't say that I will go to another brand because they are better I cannot because there is nothing that is better to me and worth buying instead and I was really contemplating this today. If I had to buy another sled what would I go for, guess I'll have to try them all.

 

[Murse]

I've been on 2010 carb 600tnt fun light machine goes pretty good and handles good but had 500 miles on it and crank twisted.... 800etec I rode it's fast handles well and is comfortable \. Lifts skis on jumps easy. It idles well is really good on fuel and oil and is as fast as my 06 yami. That being said its a 2012 and my 06 is just as fast so I am disappointed in that aspect because the numbers are better on paper on the doo. The sound sucks yes compared to my yami's all of them anything else does not come close to the sound and I don't know why but that alone makes the yami a much funner ride for me. Now if the etec can put on some miles and be problem free as it has so far for around 2000miles ill be impressed. So thumbs up to skidoo they stepped it up in the reliability department with the etec I think. We'll see. But you guys are right IMO I ride and own Yamaha and I don't and never have had any issues. I love it and I am open to other brands and some technology they have for sure. It's hard to be open minded and Like Yamaha because you compliment other peoples sleds and they all bash yours but look at it when you are not paying attention LOL. Oh well.

 

[kviper]

A 2011+ Apex is not 40lb heavier than a pre 11!
EPS adds about 37lb, than subtract for lighter exhaust (even with EXUP) due to almost no muffler, no cast aluminum sub frame in the rear of tunnel to support the old heavy muffler, lighter delta box, ski's, fuel tank and seat and you end up with a net gain of about 8lb over pre 11's. Opinion's are like but hole's, every one has one including my self and I buy to satisfy my opinion.

My Apex is better than any Doo and any one who don't agree with me is thin skinned and wears yellow goggles!!