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Team Fast 136" M20 - Apex LTX / Attak, Vector LTX

Discussion in 'Skis, Studs, Tracks and Aftermarket Suspensions' started by Redbeard, Apr 2, 2016.


  1. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    APEX LTX / ATTAK, VECTOR LTX:

    This particular thread covers the installation of a Team Fast 136" M20 on my 2008 Vector LTX. The following illustrations would also apply to a 2006 - 2010 Apex LTX / Attak

    This is a custom installation that involves altering some chassis features that are not represented by Team Fast. The only items I use are the suspension and the dimensions to mount it. For those interested in an M20, please follow the instructions included for your particular sled.


    Spring 2016:

    2010 was my first winter with a Team Fast suspension. I converted my 136" Vector into a long(er) 151" track, using an M10 W2 air skid, which is designed for Mountain / deep snow riding. "Wow" was my response and I rode that skid for 6 winters. I recently decided to convert the sled back to a 136" track and focus on trail riding, which is what I now do almost 100% of the time. The original 136" mono suspension, however, had been re-assigned to my 2004 RX Warrior (link at very bottom of this post). Since I had successfully used an M20 in my 2012 Apex XTX for the previous 3 seasons, an additional M20 for this sled was an easy decision.

    The LTX / Attak sleds have a slightly different tunnel than the 2011+ Apex, so I started this build thread to show the differences in installation between the two sleds.

    Again, this thread also applies to a 2006 - 2010 Apex LTX / Attak.

    Apex XTX M20 installation:
    http://www.ty4stroke.com/threads/team-fast-m20-apex-xtx.119161/

    Here's a link to another M20 installation by Dusty Dan on his Vector: http://www.ty4stroke.com/threads/vector-upgrades-m20-curve-skis-assault-shocks.138643/


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    That's my dad standing with the Vector back in December 2013 on trail 3 just south of Houghton.
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    This was our first TY ride!

    RX Warrior build:
    http://www.ty4stroke.com/threads/20...graded-to-136-mono-and-much-much-more.138024/
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2019
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  3. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Snowmobile:
    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    I came home for a cup of coffee this afternoon and found a package at my front door!

    I CAN'T WAIT! :Rockon:

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  4. Dusty Dan

    Dusty Dan Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Congrats Joe, it's a fun job. Enjoy!
     
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  5. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    I forgot to mention that I received the same rear arm brackets that came with your skid! This is a huge plus and will make installation a breeze!

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  6. Dusty Dan

    Dusty Dan Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Yes, definitely a nice design.
     
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  7. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Snowmobile:
    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    The Vector is out of the barn and prepped for surgery. In addition to the M20, there are several other items on the update list as well:

    1. All new front end bushings
    2. Newer A-arms with grease zerks
    3. Sending the front shocks in for a re-fresh
    4. Replacing the Pilot 6.9's with USI Triple threat


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    Last edited: May 12, 2016
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  8. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Snowmobile:
    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    I decided to get started on rebuilding the front end first. The ski shocks are needing rebuilt and I want to send them up to Fast with my Apex M20 shocks at the same time. I'll have to fabricate some square tubes to take place of the shocks for the time being, but at least I'll be able to re-assemble the front end and get the jack over to the Apex for its shock removal.

    Wow! Time and use is becoming evident on this sled! The ski spindles are rusty and the spindle housings are chipped and needing a fresh powder coat. The ski bolt bushings are completely shot and the steering tie rod ends above the exhaust header are sloppy. No wonder this sled wouldn't track right last winter! Long story short; I have not paid enough attention to this sled for some time.

    I have a nice set of front arms with grease zerks that are getting installed. The powder coated finish is like new, so they'll be able to go straight on without any additional work.

    I also found time to hang some new Yamaha shop decor! :Rockon:

    ...stay tuned!

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    Last edited: May 12, 2016
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  9. MrSled

    MrSled Administrator Staff Member Admin Moderator VIP Member

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    Looking good :) I have to post so I can follow along.
     
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  10. Soldier'spapa

    Soldier'spapa Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    As always...you are doing an awesome job not only of performing the upgrades but documenting the process for the rest of us to follow along!

    (feeling inadequate in my fabrication abilities) :(

    When I send in my M-20 shocks for a rebuild I will ask for a little more compression dampening. It's that or fewer cheeseburgers. I'm going to try the shocks first....
     
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  11. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Snowmobile:
    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    I like your plan of attack! ;)!

    I have not had time to touch the Vector in a month, but some parts have trickled in: bushings, tie rod ends, solenoids, relays and Deutsch connectors!

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  12. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Snowmobile:
    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    I finally caught a few evenings this week to work on the Vector again. The front end is re-assembled with all new bushings. Here is a link for changing the ski bolt bushings:

    http://www.ty4stroke.com/threads/rx-rs-diy-ski-spindle-bushing-replacement.142005/

    Now it's time to remove the 151" skid and start the process of installing the M20. I'm still undecided on a track, but it's decision time!

    Stay tuned!

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    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
  14. Dusty Dan

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  15. MrSled

    MrSled Administrator Staff Member Admin Moderator VIP Member

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    Right on!!
     
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  16. Redbeard

    Redbeard Lifetime Member Lifetime VIP Member VIP Member

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    Location:
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    Snowmobile:
    2012 Apex, 136 M20, PB80
    2008 Vector, 136 M20, PB80
    2004 RX Warrior
    1995 Vmax 4 800
    1995 Vmax 600 LE
    1995 Ovation 340 LE
    All of the custom made 151" mounting brackets are removed. Fast sends universal brackets for this, but I prefer to make my own. Now I can begin making the new brackets for the M20 front arm.

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