maxx
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I am looking seriously at spring ordering a Nytro XTX, done with the 2 strokes. I appreciate sites like this that you can get information on these sleds. The concern I have is it sounds like a person almost needs to change skis and wear bars, change to bigger suspenion wheels, put in better front end bushings plus more $ for any decent storage and even more for a normal sized gas tank. To me the only real 4 stroke competition to the xtx would be the 4 tec 1200 renegade. What advice do you have for a guy like me trying to decide between the 2 but favoring the XTX?
DeerHuntr
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Keep in mind the people who have problems or think they have problems bark the loudest. 3000 miles on my RTX and I just put in my second set of hyfax, not worth spending a bunch of money on wheels IMO. Stock ski's are terrible, you will need ski's if you ride aggressively. Haven't done front end bushings but will need them for next year not a huge deal. And as far as the gas tank size it was a hang up for me as well but in reality I can go as far as my 2 stroke buddies I ride with anyway. Only once was I worried about running out of gas was rite at 100 miles on the tank and I was cutting it very close but that ride was allot of 80-90+mph. I put in 6 gallons and they were putiing in 10-11gallons and were looking for oil by the end of rthe day as well. My biggest complaint with mine thus far is overheating in marginal snow conditions and ice build up in the tunnel when we have good snow conditions. All in all I love my sled but would love to try that Ski Doo out.
maxx
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Thanks Deerhunter, I grew up north of Duluth and do all my riding up there, how is the nytro for starting in the cold, some mornings at the cabin are -30 and no electricity.
DeerHuntr
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Mine is usually in the garage but we have trailered for several hours before when it's been colder then hell and it starts fine usually. I only said usually because I did have it fail to start due to a bad fuel relay just yesterday. Known problem, they collect moisture and freeze up I hit it for 45 seconds with the wifes hairdryer and it fired rite up. It was on the trailer for a couple hours at -12 going to get a Firecat that didn't make it home. Relay is $18, going to replace it this week and plastidip it before I put it in. A few other guys could probably tell you better on the cold weather starting to be honest, my garage isn't heated but is insulated so it's usually 10-20 deg warmer then outside. I've rode the Two Harbors area before and just to give you a heads up the Nytro isn't at its best in the tight twisty trails IMO, thats where it shows it's weight but we ride very aggressively allot of the time. It really shines in the trails around here that are in roadside ditches and across fields. Is awesome in rough conditions and is a great ditch banger. If I had one word of advice it's try before you buy IMO, the seating position is a love it or hate it type of thing. The Apex/Vector may better suit you depending on your riding style.
Mine has started fine down -15 consistently.
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maxx said:
I have started mine down to -30 celsius without any problems but I do carry a set of homemade jumper cables in my front pouch (relocated my belt to the top of the clutch guard) for cold days.
sleddingfarmer
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I don't think starting in the cold weather is a problem at all. I wouldn't worry about that.
Skis are probably the only MUST buy, but some guys like them, so you might want to try them out. And you are correct about the storage, the sled has zero from the factory, but a backpack is easy and free (if you own one) if you don't mind riding with one.
I thought they fixed the small bogie wheel problem by lowering the wheels, to make them act like 135mm wheels? Even if they didn't fix the problem, again, some people don't have a problem with hyfax wear, so maybe you'll get lucky.
100 mile range on the gas tank, if you ride aggressively. On the xtx you can relocate the tail light to above the rear bumper, then get a rack/gas can combo to put on the tunnel, and it will end up costing a lot less than the trail tank.
Basically you have done your research, and you are right about most everything. Nytro vs 1200 doo... I don't know which one I would choose.
Skis are probably the only MUST buy, but some guys like them, so you might want to try them out. And you are correct about the storage, the sled has zero from the factory, but a backpack is easy and free (if you own one) if you don't mind riding with one.
I thought they fixed the small bogie wheel problem by lowering the wheels, to make them act like 135mm wheels? Even if they didn't fix the problem, again, some people don't have a problem with hyfax wear, so maybe you'll get lucky.
100 mile range on the gas tank, if you ride aggressively. On the xtx you can relocate the tail light to above the rear bumper, then get a rack/gas can combo to put on the tunnel, and it will end up costing a lot less than the trail tank.
Basically you have done your research, and you are right about most everything. Nytro vs 1200 doo... I don't know which one I would choose.
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-43 us the coldest I have ever started it and it was fine.
I love my xtx. I liked it stock, but I have since put a bc track on, MTX skis and fox float x's on the front. The sled really works greeat now. Not that these things were needed (well mtx skis were), but I got them for cheap and they really improved things. Keep in mind that they would improve any sled though.
Like mentioned, the gas tank is small but takes me as far as most two strokes. Still be nice to have that extra security though in a larger tank but whatever.
You here a lot of gripes with the nytro. Snowmobilers are a finicky crowd. Much more picky then any other powersport crowd. They like to wine and cry if the smallest thing is not right. Since we do not have to worry about motors blowing up and being left stranded on the trail, you have to complain about something. No such thing as a perfect sled and never will be. Even if it does 120 mph, rails corners, takes all bumps with ease, floats and never gets stuck, hyfax last forever (3000k on my hyfax), handwarmers that keep your hands warm, etc etc.
You would then here excuses like, my hands get sweaty cause my warmers are to warm, my left foot gets wet, handlebars are just a tad to tall or low, and so on. Always will be something to complain about.
I love my xtx. I liked it stock, but I have since put a bc track on, MTX skis and fox float x's on the front. The sled really works greeat now. Not that these things were needed (well mtx skis were), but I got them for cheap and they really improved things. Keep in mind that they would improve any sled though.
Like mentioned, the gas tank is small but takes me as far as most two strokes. Still be nice to have that extra security though in a larger tank but whatever.
You here a lot of gripes with the nytro. Snowmobilers are a finicky crowd. Much more picky then any other powersport crowd. They like to wine and cry if the smallest thing is not right. Since we do not have to worry about motors blowing up and being left stranded on the trail, you have to complain about something. No such thing as a perfect sled and never will be. Even if it does 120 mph, rails corners, takes all bumps with ease, floats and never gets stuck, hyfax last forever (3000k on my hyfax), handwarmers that keep your hands warm, etc etc.
You would then here excuses like, my hands get sweaty cause my warmers are to warm, my left foot gets wet, handlebars are just a tad to tall or low, and so on. Always will be something to complain about.
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I love my Rtx I have only 1300 miles on it but no hyfax change yet, they burn down quickly when new but then they stay for long time, same as my old 03 RX1. Skis depend on how you ride I ride aggressive when with the buddies but ride normal when with the wife and kids, 8 inch doolies and no problems.Fuel tank is a non issue, I can always find fuel within 100miles.Only real complaint I have is the icing of the tunnel and not really a big deal, cleans up easily if you do it when done riding and not the next morning. Oh yeah hand warmers kinda suck too. Other than that I love it.... 
maxx
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Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it. I tend to ride 60% trail, 40% off trail. How do you think the yamaha Mt. Skis would work for that, I may be able to get the dealer to deal more on those. Regardless of any issues, I am looking forward to a 4 stroke. I ride aggressive and consider the throttle my best friend.
Preacher
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You will love the durability of these yamaha 4 strokes. There are always the minor things to stay on top of, but the engine is the trump card for me
Preacher
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You will love the durability of these yamaha 4 strokes. There are always the minor things to stay on top of, but the engine is the trump card for me
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I may take some heat on this one, but if I were to buy a new sled today, it would be the Skidoo. Yes, I knew when I bought my 09 Nytro, that I would have to get a new set of skis, but those other "little" things add up.
Changing slides may not be expensive, however changing them in the cold is a pain, as well as being constantly worried about wearing through them on a ride and dipping off trail looking for powder can be dangerous. After changing the slides 3 times in one season, I upgraded to larger Skidoo idler wheels and haven't had to change the sliders since.
Overheating, didn't expect that from the Nytro, especially a sled with a radiator? Pretty embarassing riding a brand new sled on hardpack with the hood removed and tucked under my arm. $400 later and I installed the MTX exchanger and extra vents which solved my problem.
Hand warmers, are you kidding me? They don't operate under 4000 rpm. I brought my sled to the Dealer to make an official complaint to the Yamaha warranty rep and guess what? He just laughed! He said that Yamaha knows about it, but nothing will be done about it. Another couple hundred bucks later, and I now have warm hands when I want them, thanks to Rockmeister's Yamaheaters.
Subframe tweaked while going through a washout at slow speed. Yamaha denied warranty claim due to impact, though it wasn't. I didn't replace the supposed "strengthened" frame, as advertised by Yamaha, but straightened it out and welded up some extra gussets for strength.
Many praise the engine on the Yammies, I do too, they are sweet. It's the out of the box handling that seems to be a difficult thing to attain though. The Skidoo sleds are pretty reknown for their great handling, flat cornering and easier steering and their 4 stroke motor is pretty sweet too, considering they're pretty new to the game.
All in all, I feel that the Skidoo 1200 is a greater value pricewise versus the Nytro. IMO, The Nytro needs extra maintenance to ride in the long run.
Changing slides may not be expensive, however changing them in the cold is a pain, as well as being constantly worried about wearing through them on a ride and dipping off trail looking for powder can be dangerous. After changing the slides 3 times in one season, I upgraded to larger Skidoo idler wheels and haven't had to change the sliders since.
Overheating, didn't expect that from the Nytro, especially a sled with a radiator? Pretty embarassing riding a brand new sled on hardpack with the hood removed and tucked under my arm. $400 later and I installed the MTX exchanger and extra vents which solved my problem.
Hand warmers, are you kidding me? They don't operate under 4000 rpm. I brought my sled to the Dealer to make an official complaint to the Yamaha warranty rep and guess what? He just laughed! He said that Yamaha knows about it, but nothing will be done about it. Another couple hundred bucks later, and I now have warm hands when I want them, thanks to Rockmeister's Yamaheaters.
Subframe tweaked while going through a washout at slow speed. Yamaha denied warranty claim due to impact, though it wasn't. I didn't replace the supposed "strengthened" frame, as advertised by Yamaha, but straightened it out and welded up some extra gussets for strength.
Many praise the engine on the Yammies, I do too, they are sweet. It's the out of the box handling that seems to be a difficult thing to attain though. The Skidoo sleds are pretty reknown for their great handling, flat cornering and easier steering and their 4 stroke motor is pretty sweet too, considering they're pretty new to the game.
All in all, I feel that the Skidoo 1200 is a greater value pricewise versus the Nytro. IMO, The Nytro needs extra maintenance to ride in the long run.
yamahabandit
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Hate to admit it but Grimm you're right on all counts. I luv my sled now, just didn't think i'd have to build it myself! 
Dano
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I'm not going to knock down the 1200 doo since it too is a great sled, however, for the few things that seem fixed when switching brands only brings new issues that we find out that we taken for granted from our old rides. Mixing the 1200 doo and the Nytro together would be a perfect ride while leaving each of their shortcomings behind. Having that said, for now, changing colour is just changing to a different set of problems.
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