TY Build - A response to Yamaha's 2013 line-up.

[whitedust1]

Whitedust1:

You're right I've never been to Japan or worked for a Japanese company. Reading between the lines of your comments, I get the impression that you might know a little more than you can share - like maybe you work for YMC, NA? Not that I don't value your input ... Actually, the opposite is true. I think your comments matter most because I believe they're honest and the truth is what Yamaha customers need most. What you wrote sounds like it's coming from personal experience and frustration.

There's a rumor on this forum alleging Yamaha had planned to release a replacement for the Phazer this year, at the urging of YMC NA, but that YMC Japan pulled the sled from the lineup because of surplus 2011-12 inventory. As CR says, he can't comment because loose lips ... But maybe someone whose identity remains anonymous could?

I'm probably waaaay off base, but appreciate your input just the same.

No I don't work for Yamaha but I have worked with & for Jap companies. I'm retired now. #1 in Japan you are a lifetime employee & if you mess up the company will treat you like a dead man walking like you do not exist until you resign in disgrace. Finding another job is very difficult & you must do it from a social status of respected contacts. This way if you don't do well you have disgraced many people that know you & your family. So now tell me why would Yamaha AR&D engineers hang their hat on some internet garbage on any website & risk there very existance? Never ever going to happen. Sure amuse yourself post what ever you want but AR&D is not going to read or care. 2ndly since I spent my life in sales & marketing an the early release of the 2013 line up was the Nytro XTX it was painfully obvious the rest of the line up would be just BNG. Then you step back & think Why? Yamaha is not willing to retool for anything new the profit is not there for that. Ok what is wrong with their line up? Not much if you want what Yamaha offers a rock solid snowmobile. You have more EPS models, air shocks & 144 tipped tracks. All the models are being refined & they all do ride & perform pretty darn well.

So you say we want something new!! A new 4s platform that is lighter. Will you be ready to trade in the Apex LTX GT or Attak GT & spend $15K?..... the old sled runs great & you have it set up the way you like it. Well...Probably not since you & your family are just getting by & may need a new car or something else. So where is the $15K coming from when your current sled performs well?

Yamaha is nobody's fool they are sticking with the current lineup until the market is ready to buy new sleds & that is not now. Yams 2013 lineup compares well with others as they all are tweaking & refining for 2013 & beyond. Until we the maket is throwing around money on snomos don't exspect much as all OEM sleds have good products just depends on what you want? Look around it is out there.

 

[raginyamaha]

why does everyone hate the rear exhaust?

Because of the massive ice build up that makes an already heavy sled heavier.

X2...!
It would be nice to see a front exhaust or at least an over-tunnel exhaust protected from snow spray in a near future.

undertunnel doesnt help either........

 

[radianguy]

why does everyone hate the rear exhaust? its the same concept on the liter road bikes, nearly ALL of them have this exhaust setup for a reason.. IT WORKS.

it sounds better than a side dump or tunnel dump even IMO (look at the turbo cat, or abrams tank i should say judging by the sound) and it takes a turbo for them to get 177hp out of their engine at 1100CC..

yamaha is refining an already great lineup in my book. sure id love to see a new chassis, but the current lineup flat out works DAMN GOOD

Yamaha needs to get rid of the rear exit exhaust because you cannot take a sandwich on these sleds in their current set up.

 

[radianguy]

I am Yamaha too but some of you guys need to lay off of the cool aid!

 

[Sasquatch]

why does everyone hate the rear exhaust? its the same concept on the liter road bikes, nearly ALL of them have this exhaust setup for a reason.. IT WORKS.

Because of the massive ice build up that makes an already heavy sled heavier.

Good lord I just knocked the ice out of my tunnel same as I do before every ride and if it weighed two pounds it would be very lucky. I guess thats why I carry a 1 pound plastic mallet! Easier to knock out a pound or two of ice every morning or even sometimes on the trail if I get bored then let it build!

Leave the rear exhaust alone its just fine. it makes power and puts the heat out the back instead of under the hood melting everything and starting fires like some other sleds. So it builds a little ice! So did both my cats with the under tunnel heat exchangers. Used a mallet on them as well rather then let the ice go through the front and scare the crap out of me.

People won't be happy till they screw up a perfectly good sled! Course I see by the Nytro pics that maybe its a Nytro problem, I don't know.

 

[Sasquatch]

Ok what is wrong with their line up? Not much if you want what Yamaha offers a rock solid snowmobile. You have more EPS models, air shocks & 144 tipped tracks. All the models are being refined & they all do ride & perform pretty darn well.

Yamaha is nobody's fool they are sticking with the current lineup until the market is ready to buy new sleds & that is not now. Yams 2013 lineup compares well with others as they all are tweaking & refining for 2013 & beyond. Until we the maket is throwing around money on snomos don't exspect much as all OEM sleds have good products just depends on what you want? Look around it is out there.

About sums it up!

 

[09nytro]

Yamaha needs to get rid of the rear exhaust.

+1

Why, most of us like it.

 

[RoyalBlue]

Lunch

why does everyone hate the rear exhaust? its the same concept on the liter road bikes, nearly ALL of them have this exhaust setup for a reason.. IT WORKS.

it sounds better than a side dump or tunnel dump even IMO (look at the turbo cat, or abrams tank i should say judging by the sound) and it takes a turbo for them to get 177hp out of their engine at 1100CC..

yamaha is refining an already great lineup in my book. sure id love to see a new chassis, but the current lineup flat out works DAMN GOOD

Yamaha needs to get rid of the rear exit exhaust because you cannot take a sandwich on these sleds in their current set up.

What ever happened to the Hot Dogger?

 

[09nytro]

why does everyone hate the rear exhaust?

Because of the massive ice build up that makes an already heavy sled heavier.

X2...!
It would be nice to see a front exhaust or at least an over-tunnel exhaust protected from snow spray in a near future.

undertunnel doesnt help either........[/quote

I have a 02 viper that looks just like that,I wish Chevy would do something about the ice build up in my fender wells and running boards I think I'm going to get a ford I had it with this chevy

 

[swmichvector]

It would be nice to see a front exhaust or at least an over-tunnel exhaust protected from snow spray in a near future

I agree with a over the tunnel exhaust so snow spray can not collect on a hot pipe. Also a lighter exhaust would be nice. I also think yamaha should consider running a belt drive and get rid of the chain case to drop 15 lbs. Yamaha could easily pull another 15-20 hp out of the nytro motor imo.

i agree that a belt drive chain case would be the way to go.

 

[Alatalo]

undertunnel doesnt help either........

I know, from my own experience...
Anything that hot constantly sprayed with snow WILL generate ice build-up...

Get the exhaust out of the tunnel and the real running weight will be reduced 10-20-30 lbs depending on exact snow conditions...

 

[low slung]

undertunnel doesnt help either........

I know, from my own experience...
Anything that hot constantly sprayed with snow WILL generate ice build-up...

Get the exhaust out of the tunnel and the real running weight will be reduced 10-20-30 lbs depending on exact snow conditions...

And the weight you save on the rear goes to the front nose,No dice.One on the biggest issues on dootalk is all the ice build-up in the tunnel of the XPs.Its no way around expect to coat all the rear parts in teflon.The guys that design these sleds know what there doing.The benefits more than outway the negatives.(ride a 1200 renegade in a deep mogul field,and feel how the front end gets taxed).

 

[Alatalo]

And the weight you save on the rear goes to the front

A clever over-tunnel exhaust design will not change the weight distribution, but I am sure it will have a considerable effect on the ice build-up inside the tunnel. For instance, my current setup with a custom made silencer and block-off plate is half way towards an over-tunnel design and I have clearly got less ice-build up than any stock FX Nytro I have seen (normally, I only see some small ice build-up where the collector pipe goes through the top of the tunnel).
Furthermore, I do not know if I agree regarding the two stroke tunnels. My impression from people around here is zero issues, no matter if we are talking Cat, Doo or Pol. It might be down to local snow conditions, but anytime I have looked into one of their tunnels they have been clean down to the metal.
In my opinion, the ice build-up is one of Yamaha's biggest issues because it adds real running weight to the already heaviest sled in the market...

 

[NLViper]

And the weight you save on the rear goes to the front

A clever over-tunnel exhaust design will not change the weight distribution, but I am sure it will have a considerable effect on the ice build-up inside the tunnel. For instance, my current setup with a custom made silencer and block-off plate is half way towards an over-tunnel design and I have clearly got less ice-build up than any stock FX Nytro I have seen (normally, I only see some small ice build-up where the collector pipe goes through the top of the tunnel).
Furthermore, I do not know if I agree regarding the two stroke tunnels. My impression from people around here is zero issues, no matter if we are talking Cat, Doo or Pol. It might be down to local snow conditions, but anytime I have looked into one of their tunnels they have been clean down to the metal.
In my opinion, the ice build-up is one of Yamaha's biggest issues because it adds real running weight to the already heaviest sled in the market...

I couldn't agree more with you Alatalo. The group I ride with have all Ski-doo XP's, their sleds do not gather any ice in the tunnel compared to mine. When my sled gets stuck you can almost feel everyone cringe as we all know what kind of Weight we are going to be lifting on the back end.

 

[low slung]

I hear you on the over the tunnel exhaust design,seems like the best setup for a ditchbanger(not a touring sled).Another idea would be like redline had on there four-stroke, just the mufflers in the rear hanging like a crotch rocket.If the new apex is any indication where yamaha is going the next exhaust system will be still a rear exit design,but much more compact and more centered.Dont want to lose the benefits of this setup=less heat under the hood which means longer belt life,more efficient exhaust track which means more power,better sound,better setup for a turbo, less noise for the rider,and when in deep snow you don,t have your exhaust being choked.If yamaha didn,t have this setup patented it would be on the competition sleds long ago.