Tork
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Viper_Dave's Wife said:
Oh this fine group is hammering out a consensus for the upcoming season.
Sometimes it gets ugly like making law or sausage.
You know a lot about studs, how is Dave BTW?
Tork
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MightyWarrior said:
I think you and Charged RTX nailed what I just about sorted out for myself. 120 might be my number and if not I can pull er in to the cabin garage and add more if need be later on.
Wonder what MrSled is going to do? And Matt, you have an RTX on the way how many for you? We are about the same weight arent we?
192 for me, but thats me. Traction is very important to me, but as impala points out, you need some serious ski carbide to run that many studs on that trail with at 121"...BBY
Tork said:
Dave who?
chrishall
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My opinion on angled backer plates
In theory the Angled Backer up against a lug seemed like a good idea. Except that once a new track stretches, they no longer come into contact with the lug. Therefore you are carrying a lot of extra weight for nothing. I also had to replace 12 double angled backers because they had broken in half. One good thing was that at least both parts of the broken backers remained on the track and hadn't flown off and damaged anything. The Single Angle backers all held together, but they had all bent to the point where they were even further away from the lugs. I had 160 installed into the track of my 2005 RX1-ER.
Another problem I had was that the studs wore on the shock at the top of the rear suspension. I suggest if you have the mono shock setup that you stay well away from the absolute center of the track. It probably wore 1/4-1/2" off shock mount on top.
This year when I buy my new Apex Gt or RTX, I will just use standard backers and save on the extra weight. I did like their extra long nuts though. All my 1.325 inch studs were straight. I plan to install 144 total and 24 on each outer ring of the track.
Chris
In theory the Angled Backer up against a lug seemed like a good idea. Except that once a new track stretches, they no longer come into contact with the lug. Therefore you are carrying a lot of extra weight for nothing. I also had to replace 12 double angled backers because they had broken in half. One good thing was that at least both parts of the broken backers remained on the track and hadn't flown off and damaged anything. The Single Angle backers all held together, but they had all bent to the point where they were even further away from the lugs. I had 160 installed into the track of my 2005 RX1-ER.
Another problem I had was that the studs wore on the shock at the top of the rear suspension. I suggest if you have the mono shock setup that you stay well away from the absolute center of the track. It probably wore 1/4-1/2" off shock mount on top.
This year when I buy my new Apex Gt or RTX, I will just use standard backers and save on the extra weight. I did like their extra long nuts though. All my 1.325 inch studs were straight. I plan to install 144 total and 24 on each outer ring of the track.
Chris
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I used 144 single and twin pattern down the middle with aluminum backers. Studs were woody's mega bites. I also used 10" carbides on the front 03 rx with rip saw track. Have 5,000 miles on them, with only 1 bent and 1 broke.
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I ran 192 Woody's Megabites in my RX-1 and dreaded hard packed trails because it stuck too hard. I was running 8 inch carbides up front and it was still a bear to turn. Keep in mind what lousy track was on that sled too :?
sobfrogg
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Any thoughts on studding the 136??
I have 240 on my SRX w/ 10" bars up front. It bites great and the cornering can't be beat (my opinion)
I ride rather hard and at 275lbs I can throw the sled around all day 300-350 miles a day
This is my first 4stroke. The funni thing is none of my buddies know I have a new sled in the trailer
That will be quite the surprise for them :shock: :shock:
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I have 240 on my SRX w/ 10" bars up front. It bites great and the cornering can't be beat (my opinion)
I ride rather hard and at 275lbs I can throw the sled around all day 300-350 miles a day
This is my first 4stroke. The funni thing is none of my buddies know I have a new sled in the trailer
That will be quite the surprise for them :shock: :shock:
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The rule of thumb is 1 stud per HP, but if you feel you want less, so be it. I am going to run 144 or 168 up the middle with double studs near the rails in a v pattern on my Apex GT. 1.32 studs. It will give you alittle more rock and roll in the corner with out all the iron pushing you straight...this is just what I have found works good for me and this is what I have done for the past four sleds.
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I agree with Tom, the center pattern works awesome.
I have yet to try the center pattern, and have always put the standard 192 pic pattern, but with the 1.18 pics thru on a 1.25 track. Yes, I know it sounds stupid, but when you pull the head flush, the pics only come past the lugs about .200 My track has no lugs missing, and I think the pics takes some of the pressure.
It works great for icy conditions, and as many can tell you by following me on trails and lakes, the 192 pic pattern was very controllable, {for those who could keep up}.
Tork, I am undecided to my pic pattern on the 136 yet. Still looking for good trail pattern, but where the lugs don't get destroyed.
I have yet to try the center pattern, and have always put the standard 192 pic pattern, but with the 1.18 pics thru on a 1.25 track. Yes, I know it sounds stupid, but when you pull the head flush, the pics only come past the lugs about .200 My track has no lugs missing, and I think the pics takes some of the pressure.
It works great for icy conditions, and as many can tell you by following me on trails and lakes, the 192 pic pattern was very controllable, {for those who could keep up}.
Tork, I am undecided to my pic pattern on the 136 yet. Still looking for good trail pattern, but where the lugs don't get destroyed.
ReX
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Re: My opinion on angled backer plates
My shock (on my 05 RX-1) is just about worn through where the track rubs it and I didn't run any studs last year.
This season I bought a pre-punched Ripsaw (144 studs in the center band)which is setup for studs in the very center also. I'm not sure if I should stud right down the middle or not. I know it will rub a little, but haven't convinced myself it makes any real difference to shock wear.
Are are you mono-shock owners planning to stud the very center of the track?
chrishall said:
My shock (on my 05 RX-1) is just about worn through where the track rubs it and I didn't run any studs last year.
This season I bought a pre-punched Ripsaw (144 studs in the center band)which is setup for studs in the very center also. I'm not sure if I should stud right down the middle or not. I know it will rub a little, but haven't convinced myself it makes any real difference to shock wear.
Are are you mono-shock owners planning to stud the very center of the track?
Snowaholic
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Rex, I purchased the same pre punched Ripsaw with the studs in the very middle and have had no issues to date with either the track or studs and it hooks up extremely well and i don't drive it easy.
Just what I have found in 2000km, i know you put on allot of k's though.
Just what I have found in 2000km, i know you put on allot of k's though.
chrishall
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WOW!!!
Has anybody elses shock almost worn through at the mount who didn't stud their 05 RX-1ER?
I can understand the backers on the studs doing damage, but the track shouldn't.
Chris
Has anybody elses shock almost worn through at the mount who didn't stud their 05 RX-1ER?
I can understand the backers on the studs doing damage, but the track shouldn't.
Chris
96 isn't enough is you want the track to last nas the studs to last if you ask me
studdog
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Well guys, I'm going to experiment with Camoplasts new Ice Ripper track. Same as Ripsaw with 288 prestudded tips. Has anyone had experience with the 1 inch version they had out last year? It was called the Ice claw. The idea is the equal amount of traction with overall weight the same as unstudded. What do you think? studdog