Whats your favorite skis and why??

[BETHEVIPER]

BTV,

Sorry to hear about your difficulties.

I doo know when I was running the "Precisions" (an oxymoron in terminology) I had to grind the Doo ski rubber 1/4" higher than the front rubber in order get enough rear bite in the carbides. Without the shim the carbides would run on the front of the carbides ("ski nose low").

The ski rubber with built in shim provided by Curve Industries provided ample rear bite on my sled. The front carbide angle was up and elevated off the floor between 1/8th" and 1/16th".

Did you use the Curve Industries ski rubber?

Was your front sled frame ever bent?

Could these be factors?

Also, each type-model-series sled may-or-may-not require some "tweaking".

For me, after three years of not having a real good ski set up, I now happen to be real "happy camper" with the set up I have finally found.

All the best!

every ski i run gets simmed rear biased from the start in the shop. when im testing them ill pull out a shim and see how it reacts to front bias.

they never sent rubbers with them, i dont think they had them at the time.

the reason i simmed the center carbide down in the center is that in testing other skis and what works what dont, i have found that having a pefectly straight carbide = effort when it comes to hard packed trails. in the same way that shimming the ski so the carbide lifts a little in the front helps it climb out of a grove, so does having a slightly bowed carbide. The curve ski does this already a little by using a straight carbide bolted to a slight rocker bottom ski. what i didnt like about this setup is that it will eat carbide in the middle.

my front end is bent now, i crossed a rail bed with my simmons and caught a chipped carbide. felt just a quick jolt. later a friend asked what i hit. bowed the trailing arm out about 6inches up a couple, bent the running board. amazingly the sled still went straight as an arrow, with the simmons.
(anyone have a lh viper trailing arm?)

guys, i think some may have not read my previous posts, the effect i am talking about only occurs on hard trail. the rest of the time the simmons are a great ski(after i fixed the carbide issue) my friend prefered the curve over the simmons because of this cornering issue, he wanted less bite but wished the curve could track as good as the simmons.

If i kept the curves they would have ended up with cat carbides on them.
bob you should try some on them, i can reweld the bars for you if you want to try them next year, just stop in on your way south, you know im into working on other sleds for fun and experimenting.

bob, did you notice your slides lasting longer with the curves? they blow a stream of snow out at an angle tward the center of the sled. thats got to be good for cooling. simmons do this to some degree but not as good as the curves.

 

[**sj**]

BTV,

Sorry to hear about your difficulties.

I doo know when I was running the "Precisions" (an oxymoron in terminology) I had to grind the Doo ski rubber 1/4" higher than the front rubber in order get enough rear bite in the carbides. Without the shim the carbides would run on the front of the carbides ("ski nose low").

The ski rubber with built in shim provided by Curve Industries provided ample rear bite on my sled. The front carbide angle was up and elevated off the floor between 1/8th" and 1/16th".

Did you use the Curve Industries ski rubber?

Was your front sled frame ever bent?

Could these be factors?

Also, each type-model-series sled may-or-may-not require some "tweaking".

For me, after three years of not having a real good ski set up, I now happen to be real "happy camper" with the set up I have finally found.

All the best!

every ski i run gets simmed rear biased from the start in the shop. when im testing them ill pull out a shim and see how it reacts to front bias.

they never sent rubbers with them, i dont think they had them at the time.

the reason i simmed the center carbide down in the center is that in testing other skis and what works what dont, i have found that having a pefectly straight carbide = effort when it comes to hard packed trails. in the same way that shimming the ski so the carbide lifts a little in the front helps it climb out of a grove, so does having a slightly bowed carbide. The curve ski does this already a little by using a straight carbide bolted to a slight rocker bottom ski. what i didnt like about this setup is that it will eat carbide in the middle.

my front end is bent now, i crossed a rail bed with my simmons and caught a chipped carbide. felt just a quick jolt. later a friend asked what i hit. bowed the trailing arm out about 6inches up a couple, bent the running board. amazingly the sled still went straight as an arrow, with the simmons.
(anyone have a lh viper trailing arm?)

guys, i think some may have not read my previous posts, the effect i am talking about only occurs on hard trail. the rest of the time the simmons are a great ski(after i fixed the carbide issue) my friend prefered the curve over the simmons because of this cornering issue, he wanted less bite but wished the curve could track as good as the simmons.

If i kept the curves they would have ended up with cat carbides on them.
bob you should try some on them, i can reweld the bars for you if you want to try them next year, just stop in on your way south, you know im into working on other sleds for fun and experimenting.

bob, did you notice your slides lasting longer with the curves? they blow a stream of snow out at an angle tward the center of the sled. thats got to be good for cooling. simmons do this to some degree but not as good as the curves.

actually .....If you add a set of simmons snow sprayers .....they throw serious snow/powder into the skid!

 

[hondo]

Hi Scott,

I understand the concept. It's pretty cool that you are able to spend time tweaking a sleds handling and trail performance.

Since I'll be leisure riding next season, I will definitely take you up on your offer and spend a day tweaking next season. Thanks!

Doo Precisions are some what rounded along with doo stock carbides.

When I replaced them with Stud Boys, I had to do a good bit of wrenching so the keels would draw up and form fit to the bottom of the precision ski.

After speaking at length in Albany, NY, with Sean and Nick from Curve Industries at the 2009 Yamaha unveiling, I was thoroughly impressed with their technical expertise coupled with their own passion for the sport. No pun intended, these guys are certainly on the "right track" and also in our corner. Much trial, and tweaking along the way has gone into producing the "first generation" Curve XS ski.

For me, and hopefully others, have found this ski to be a "slam dunk" success in providing more response and control to whatever sled they may ride.

Being a new company, Curve Industries can only refine their product line. Just a guess, I anticipate we will be seeing something new and even possibly an innovative product, or two that may enhance our experience on the snow.

At the time you bought your skis, they very well may have not had the oversized built-in-shim ski rubber. The rubbers do make a big difference. They provide a very nice symmetrical rear bite to the carbides.

This is one reason why I have been so freaking happy to talk about this product. For three plus years, many times I have been "riding on the edge" which for me is a very uncomfortable feeling. Being a little older the "no fear" gene is no longer active. Probably a good thing. I now have found an increased comfort level that gives me a much better feeling as I reach into the unknown corner with much more control. I know you have been there, and know what I mean...

Rail road crossing's are what they are. Everytime I cross, I try to carry just enough momentum, but not too much, should I catch a keel or carbide. Luckily, I have never had a problem, however, I have heard many bad luck horror stories.

Lastly, I have noticed the snow spray back into the track and slides.

I have worked on getting more longevity out of a set of slides since day one with this sled. With the upgraded 06 slide rails and bigger wheels 10" ahead of the rear axle, this year I have over 13,000 miles on this set slides. I had the slides changed before I started my Guinness run. The Curve XS design can only help me, as well as others to get more miles out of a set of slides as well!

All good for 21st Century sledding!!!

 

[watersuper]

actually .....If you add a set of simmons snow sprayers .....they throw serious snow/powder into the skid![/quote]

Used these this year myself and found 2 positives for the Apex:
The hyfax are still in decent shape after 1600 miles.
Never had the overheat light come on.

 

[bigbigrichie]

The USI Triple Treats Are The Best All Round Ski
Wouldnt Change For Anything

 

[**sj**]

The USI Triple Treats Are The Best All Round Ski
Wouldnt Change For Anything

any darting??

 

[bigbigrichie]

These skis have changed the way the sled handles and made it 150 % better..... darting is all gone.
i can pass other people in corners lol ....no pushing no bullshit
they are bolt on and go no shimming
i have the 7" studboy shaper carbides and 144 studboy powerpoint 1.375 studs up the middle of the track...
it is a little harder to turn when going very slow
how often u do that lol
im using the mid fins and are perfect for just about every condition even very deep snow... these skis are 2"inches wider than stock skis, floatation is greatly improved
less getting stuck
i got the bobby unser package that gives u all three sets of fins and the power steering plates and have not had any reason to use the power steering plates yet.... no need to
u can dial these skis in for what u like with the fins,and for differing conditions while riding the trails
no other skis are like these
Trust me u Will Love Them Just Like I Do

 

[06vectorgt]

After speaking at length in Albany, NY, with Sean and Nick from Curve Industries at the 2009 Yamaha unveiling, I was thoroughly impressed with their technical expertise coupled with their own passion for the sport. No pun intended, these guys are certainly on the "right track" and also in our corner. Much trial, and tweaking along the way has gone into producing the "first generation" Curve XS ski.

For me, and hopefully others, have found this ski to be a "slam dunk" success in providing more response and control to whatever sled they may ride.

Being a new company, Curve Industries can only refine their product line. Just a guess, I anticipate we will be seeing something new and even possibly an innovative product, or two that may enhance our experience on the snow.

At the time you bought your skis, they very well may have not had the oversized built-in-shim ski rubber. The rubbers do make a big difference. They provide a very nice symmetrical rear bite to the carbides.

This is one reason why I have been so freaking happy to talk about this product. For three plus years, many times I have been "riding on the edge" which for me is a very uncomfortable feeling. Being a little older the "no fear" gene is no longer active. Probably a good thing. I now have found an increased comfort level that gives me a much better feeling as I reach into the unknown corner with much more control. I know you have been there, and know what I mean...

All good for 21st Century sledding!!!

Ditto - And their customer service is SECOND TO NONE!

Read page three of the following post and tell me where you would ever find this kind of customer service - from anyone - anywhere!

http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php? ... c&start=30

 

[kinger]

Stockers with 10" carbides = BAD for trail riding

C&A pro Razors with 8" bergstrom skegs, ski savers and shims. Very nice ski, cornered on rails, increased steering effort marginally but not excessive. They are cheap I think i gave $240 for the skis plus the carbides. Really liked them and the single layout, darting was reduced to almost nothing.

Last simmons with 8" bergstrom tripple points on inside and 4" stock simmons on the outside. Corner slightly worse then the C&A's but never put me into a bad positon, they have reduced steering effort over the C&A's and float MUCH better in the powder.

Overall I like them both alot. I got a good deal on the simmons used or I would have went with C&A again just based on price.

I would try a set of curve XS next time just to see if the hype is true.

 

[yamadoo]

WELL THAT SETTLES THAT

After this interesting read I am confused and realize I change things way less than my TY buddies

I have the Bergstrom triple points, shim and ski saver.....and am pleased with the handling of the sled. I would love to try the curves or Heck many of the others.

I just find it hard to spend hundreds of dollars 'testing' when I like the sled the way it is Cheap I guess.

Mr Sled you started this, are you going to way in? Did you get the Nytro to handle with the Curves new set up?

Yamadoo

 

[MrSled]

I did get the Curve skis to work well but still prefer my set up with the shims and the Bergstrom skegs.

The Curve Skis on the Attaks and Phazer I was really happy with but that Nytro is so picky.... I will be trying them again on the XTX to see if the new front end geometry will compliment the skis.

 

[jghastingssr]

have simmons four sets use bergstrom skegs fine product.best set up since 03 rx1 inside std boy 6in , I bar ,outside bergstrom tripplepoint aqlso on my warriors . for 2007 season on my attak went from simmons to stock skis with snow trackers WOW tested for apx 1500miles NO darting NO push lite effott handles like sport car. only problem buying them in states can't find dist.30+years have not found a product this enjoyable to use. shure perks up the fun factor

 

[BETHEVIPER]

Lets bring this back from the grave,

You can get snow trackers through any dealer that sells through Automatic distributors.

 

[**sj**]

i could see snowtrackers on a mountain yam ski...theses sleds need help with flotation...

 

[copo427ss]

I use the Pilots. They all but eliminated the darting (just slight darting under certain conditions), improved the cornering and are very easy steering. I have the stock 4" carbides on all 4 runners. They are also some of the least expensive ski choices.

x2. they work very well for a direct stock bolt up. thinkin six+ inch center carbide this year though.