y yamaha and arctic cat will not merge

[snowslammer]

i work in and industry were are machines are built and shipped from japan, these machines are exact and perfect when they arrive im talking 2000 to 4000 moveable part machines that are the size of small houses and work perfectly for high production purpouses and i have worked with the engineers from japan and i have to tell you they are some of the strictest people you will ever encounter! when they say it has to be perfect- it better be perfect, or they will not let it run untill it is so. and if something is started up to soon without them knowing and it breakes they get pissed and will shut everything down till it is fixed right! heres my point i cannot belive that yamaha and arctic cat will merge to make a ground breaking sled even if it is just there engine , they have a good reputation and trust me they will do anything to keep it, arcticat on the other hand has had mulitiple quality issue since i can remember and yamaha will not put there name on a flagship vehical if it is known for problems and they will have nothing to do with it. now yes they have a 120 but there isnt allot that can go wrong with a 120. i have worked with some of the smartest people i have ever known from japan and i would be extremly shocked if there ever was a merger i could be wrong im just posting my thought on this and dreaming of a new type of yamaha this winter

 

[ecopter]

Then explain to me why I haven't had a Yamaha yet that didn't have an issue? You mentioned it has to be perfect. While I'll admit their products are pretty good, I've had first year issues with sleds that should have been "perfected" prior to release. Then there's the issue of poor quality; as in inferior performance. If they really were focused on their reputation, then they would have dumped the pro-action skid, leaking grease fittings, snapped suspension arms, inferior handwarmers, poorly designed hyfax wearing rails, and numerous other items that scream volumes of 'less than perfection."

Just sayin'

jf

 

[Suckur]

Disagree. North American manufacturers are capable of building extremely high quality products. We should be proud of and support our own. There are some really high quality motorcycles, ATVs and watercraft out there that are made right here.

 

[low slung]

Disagree. North American manufacturers are capable of building extremely high quality products. We should be proud of and support our own. There are some really high quality motorcycles, ATVs and watercraft out there that are made right here.

Agree,there called Yamaha at there southern US plant .

 

[sheetwright]

Think This wording is a bit wrong. Don't believe he is waving a Japanese flag over the USA. I have also worked with Japanese firms and they are as strict as they say about quality and procedure. Being this is yamaha I'm sure they know what technology they may be swapping with Arctic Cat is up to par. People keep guessing like we are getting cat's crappy drive or fire prone electrical. This is a swap for their suspension and ride from what rumors say.You throw a Yamaha motor and a newer yamaha drive with a lighter front suspension and the rear of a cat and you will save weight, gain HP, keep quality, and increase handling. All while paying less for R&D. Swap Cat with something we will never use on our sleds like direct injected oil, and let them give us a smoother better handling ride proves to me that the Japenese are smart and still all about quality.

 

[DoktorC]

Why is this even a rumour?????

 

[YammyRX1]

I've worked in product development with a range of companies- foreign and domestic automotive, furniture, industrial, recreational (including Yamaha) and by far the strictest was a North American company that deals in safety prodcuts like seat belts and air bags. My take on it was that they have a high level of liability and even though we were working on a non-safety related item the mentality was still there. The dimensional requirements were 10 times what other companies were asking for, but of course they didn't want to pay for it. I would compare it to ordering pillows and asking for them to be measured with a micrometer.

 

[BADSLED]

I've worked in product development with a range of companies- foreign and domestic automotive, furniture, industrial, recreational (including Yamaha) and by far the strictest was a North American company that deals in safety prodcuts like seat belts and air bags. My take on it was that they have a high level of liability and even though we were working on a non-safety related item the mentality was still there. The dimensional requirements were 10 times what other companies were asking for, but of course they didn't want to pay for it. I would compare it to ordering pillows and asking for them to be measured with a micrometer.

The world has changed tremendously in the last couple years and I witnessed cost savings initiatives shift companies focus from being quality oriented to making $ to stay alive and compete with foreign countries. I am not talking seat belts and airbags but precision manufacturing for driveline products.

 

[low slung]

Think This wording is a bit wrong. Don't believe he is waving a Japanese flag over the USA. I have also worked with Japanese firms and they are as strict as they say about quality and procedure. Being this is yamaha I'm sure they know what technology they may be swapping with Arctic Cat is up to par. People keep guessing like we are getting cat's crappy drive or fire prone electrical. This is a swap for their suspension and ride from what rumors say.You throw a Yamaha motor and a newer yamaha drive with a lighter front suspension and the rear of a cat and you will save weight, gain HP, keep quality, and increase handling. All while paying less for R&D. Swap Cat with something we will never use on our sleds like direct injected oil, and let them give us a smoother better handling ride proves to me that the Japenese are smart and still all about quality.

This is what i read on another forum that yamaha will get a cat rear suspension for the DI system(I don,t think it will be an even swap,that DI is worth alot more than some rear skid arms).I bet yamaha will get a royalty on ever cat two-stroke with this set-up like the powersteering license they get from the other ATV makers(except HONDA).New rear skid thats lighter(doubt it will ride better)minus cats crappy slide rails would be a plus.Diamond drive would be sweet because it wasn,t cat that came up with it,but is was them that gave it a bad wrap.

 

[2BLUE4U]

Think This wording is a bit wrong. Don't believe he is waving a Japanese flag over the USA. I have also worked with Japanese firms and they are as strict as they say about quality and procedure. Being this is yamaha I'm sure they know what technology they may be swapping with Arctic Cat is up to par. People keep guessing like we are getting cat's crappy drive or fire prone electrical. This is a swap for their suspension and ride from what rumors say.You throw a Yamaha motor and a newer yamaha drive with a lighter front suspension and the rear of a cat and you will save weight, gain HP, keep quality, and increase handling. All while paying less for R&D. Swap Cat with something we will never use on our sleds like direct injected oil, and let them give us a smoother better handling ride proves to me that the Japenese are smart and still all about quality.

This is what i read on another forum that yamaha will get a cat rear suspension for the DI system(I don,t think it will be an even swap,that DI is worth alot more than some rear skid arms).I bet yamaha will get a royalty on ever cat two-stroke with this set-up like the powersteering license they get from the other ATV makers(except HONDA).New rear skid thats lighter(doubt it will ride better)minus cats crappy slide rails would be a plus.Diamond drive would be sweet because it wasn,t cat that came up with it,but is was them that gave it a bad wrap.

The guy that invented the diamond drive lives about 8 miles from me. I'm good friends with his son and have been in his shop before. He has always been all about Cat. Recently he has more and more Nytro's sitting around his shop. I have no idea what he's doing with them though.

 

[Supa Dexta]

i work in and industry were are machines are built and shipped from japan, these machines are exact and perfect when they arrive im talking 2000 to 4000 moveable part machines that are the size of small houses and work perfectly for high production purpouses and i have worked with the engineers from japan and i have to tell you they are some of the strictest people you will ever encounter! when they say it has to be perfect- it better be perfect, or they will not let it run untill it is so. and if something is started up to soon without them knowing and it breakes they get pissed and will shut everything down till it is fixed right! heres my point i cannot belive that yamaha and arctic cat will merge to make a ground breaking sled even if it is just there engine , they have a good reputation and trust me they will do anything to keep it, arcticat on the other hand has had mulitiple quality issue since i can remember and yamaha will not put there name on a flagship vehical if it is known for problems and they will have nothing to do with it. now yes they have a 120 but there isnt allot that can go wrong with a 120. i have worked with some of the smartest people i have ever known from japan and i would be extremly shocked if there ever was a merger i could be wrong im just posting my thought on this and dreaming of a new type of yamaha this winter

I'm guessing you're not japanese, because they wouldn't let that be posted^ - the quality just isn't there.. Good god that was hard to read.

 

[Suckur]

Disagree. North American manufacturers are capable of building extremely high quality products. We should be proud of and support our own. There are some really high quality motorcycles, ATVs and watercraft out there that are made right here.

Agree,there called Yamaha at there southern US plant .

They're and their. There's some quality control issues right there.

 

[yamahabandit]

i work in and industry were are machines are built and shipped from japan, these machines are exact and perfect when they arrive im talking 2000 to 4000 moveable part machines that are the size of small houses and work perfectly for high production purpouses and i have worked with the engineers from japan and i have to tell you they are some of the strictest people you will ever encounter! when they say it has to be perfect- it better be perfect, or they will not let it run untill it is so. and if something is started up to soon without them knowing and it breakes they get pissed and will shut everything down till it is fixed right! heres my point i cannot belive that yamaha and arctic cat will merge to make a ground breaking sled even if it is just there engine , they have a good reputation and trust me they will do anything to keep it, arcticat on the other hand has had mulitiple quality issue since i can remember and yamaha will not put there name on a flagship vehical if it is known for problems and they will have nothing to do with it. now yes they have a 120 but there isnt allot that can go wrong with a 120. i have worked with some of the smartest people i have ever known from japan and i would be extremly shocked if there ever was a merger i could be wrong im just posting my thought on this and dreaming of a new type of yamaha this winter

I'm guessing you're not japanese, because they wouldn't let that be posted^ - the quality just isn't there.. Good god that was hard to read.

X2

 

[YammyRX1]

One thing I don't get about the Japanese is that on more than one occasion we have been asked to develop a car part for North America that is already in production in Japan but they make you start from scratch. No help with the tooling design or any input from the lessons that they learned along the way- it's almost like they want you to fail and in the end it costs twice as much to get two separate production lines to the same point making the same part. Really low hanging fruit if they want to reduce costs. I doubt Yamaha is like that though.

 

[snowslammer]

guys im not saying that there is anything wrong with US made and i didnt say yamahas didnt have there issues my point is this. who builds the most relaible snowmobiles? yamaha i have a sled shop and i used to have skidoos and arcticcats and my shop is full of broken arctics and polaris sleds one blown ptec 800 all yamahas i have to sevrice need just an oil change-and hyfax- thats a problem. i drive a new proudly US made gmc sierra, point here is i find it hard to belive anyone when they say there is going to be a yamacat these are just my thoughts it could very well happen. it would be interesting wouldnt it, but i cant see yamaha sacrificing there reliability reputation for arcticat. a company flooded with recalls and fires - reverse issues they still cant figure out ect.