y yamaha and arctic cat will not merge

[whitedust1]

This thread is way, way,way off base. Merge means one company absorbs another keeps name or rebrands to new name & can become 1. I'm 100% sure nothing like that would happen! AC & Yamaha already have an OEM relationship so the question is does it go deeper or stay the way it is now?

 

[low slung]

guys im not saying that there is anything wrong with US made and i didnt say yamahas didnt have there issues my point is this. who builds the most relaible snowmobiles? yamaha i have a sled shop and i used to have skidoos and arcticcats and my shop is full of broken arctics and polaris sleds one blown ptec 800 all yamahas i have to sevrice need just an oil change-and hyfax- thats a problem. i drive a new proudly US made gmc sierra, point here is i find it hard to belive anyone when they say there is going to be a yamacat these are just my thoughts it could very well happen. it would be interesting wouldnt it, but i cant see yamaha sacrificing there reliability reputation for arcticat. a company flooded with recalls and fires - reverse issues they still cant figure out ect.

No merger on the whole sled line but they may be working together on a enter-level sled(300cc) in which yamaha supplies the powertrain while cat builds the chassis at there factory like the SRX120(should be cheaper in theory).One thing i know for sure is arctic cat are in a very tight spot and needed somebodys DI system,really bad.Yamaha could have a massive upper hand in this deal(make money both ways).These kind of deals won,t be the first.Electronic reverse on cats/poos smokers is on license from BRP.

 

[Ak Yammy]

Sorry argument holds no water as they (Cat) have been using Kawasaki (in the past) and Suzuki engines for years both from Japan. Don't tell me Yamaha is higher quality than Suzuki as I have owned many and they are just as well made. Kawi on the other hand.

 

[Ak Yammy]

Think This wording is a bit wrong. Don't believe he is waving a Japanese flag over the USA. I have also worked with Japanese firms and they are as strict as they say about quality and procedure. Being this is yamaha I'm sure they know what technology they may be swapping with Arctic Cat is up to par. People keep guessing like we are getting cat's crappy drive or fire prone electrical. This is a swap for their suspension and ride from what rumors say.You throw a Yamaha motor and a newer yamaha drive with a lighter front suspension and the rear of a cat and you will save weight, gain HP, keep quality, and increase handling. All while paying less for R&D. Swap Cat with something we will never use on our sleds like direct injected oil, and let them give us a smoother better handling ride proves to me that the Japenese are smart and still all about quality.

This is what i read on another forum that yamaha will get a cat rear suspension for the DI system(I don,t think it will be an even swap,that DI is worth alot more than some rear skid arms).I bet yamaha will get a royalty on ever cat two-stroke with this set-up like the powersteering license they get from the other ATV makers(except HONDA).New rear skid thats lighter(doubt it will ride better)minus cats crappy slide rails would be a plus.Diamond drive would be sweet because it wasn,t cat that came up with it,but is was them that gave it a bad wrap.

The guy that invented the diamond drive lives about 8 miles from me. I'm good friends with his son and have been in his shop before. He has always been all about Cat. Recently he has more and more Nytro's sitting around his shop. I have no idea what he's doing with them though.

Wow I know some people that would love to have a chat with the Diamond drive guy. No joke. Worst idea ever on a sled. Luckily if the merger does happen Cat finally got rid of that nightmare on their performance sleds.

 

[sheetwright]

Makes me wonder if they will detune the 3cyl to 155hp then lower the compression on the same motor for a turbo option following cats lead all on a new suspension

 

[Sasquatch]

guys im not saying that there is anything wrong with US made and i didnt say yamahas didnt have there issues my point is this. who builds the most relaible snowmobiles? yamaha i have a sled shop and i used to have skidoos and arcticcats and my shop is full of broken arctics and polaris sleds one blown ptec 800 all yamahas i have to sevrice need just an oil change-and hyfax- thats a problem. i drive a new proudly US made gmc sierra, point here is i find it hard to belive anyone when they say there is going to be a yamacat these are just my thoughts it could very well happen. it would be interesting wouldnt it, but i cant see yamaha sacrificing there reliability reputation for arcticat. a company flooded with recalls and fires - reverse issues they still cant figure out ect.

Yamaha builds reliable Motors and drives but the rest of the sled has issues. Sure Cat has recalls they admit to the problem and then fix it. Yamaha just deny's that there is a problem in the first place. If you never admit to a fault then I guess in Yami's eyes they have none. Easy to say Cat has the most recalls and Yami has none. But on the flip side of that it could be said that that Cat looks after the sled after it sold at their expense and Yami says there is no problem but will sell you updated parts to fix it at your expense.

I get tired of this Yami is the best sled and the others are all junk thought process, its blue blinders! I ride a Yamaha because of the Motor. I've put up with the rest of the sleds little quirks because of that. Saying that Yamaha would sacrifice their reputation to do a deal with Cat is ludicrous. Both could learn a lot from the other. Yamaha's are far from perfect!

I've owned and rode both. My Yami has a great motor but My Cats had the best suspension. Marry a Yami motor drive train to a Cat chasiss and you will have the best sled that I would buy in an instant, well at least after the first years run. Never buy a first year sled no matter what the brand.

 

[yamahahaapex]

i work in and industry were are machines are built and shipped from japan, these machines are exact and perfect when they arrive im talking 2000 to 4000 moveable part machines that are the size of small houses and work perfectly for high production purpouses and i have worked with the engineers from japan and i have to tell you they are some of the strictest people you will ever encounter! when they say it has to be perfect- it better be perfect, or they will not let it run untill it is so. and if something is started up to soon without them knowing and it breakes they get pissed and will shut everything down till it is fixed right! heres my point i cannot belive that yamaha and arctic cat will merge to make a ground breaking sled even if it is just there engine , they have a good reputation and trust me they will do anything to keep it, arcticat on the other hand has had mulitiple quality issue since i can remember and yamaha will not put there name on a flagship vehical if it is known for problems and they will have nothing to do with it. now yes they have a 120 but there isnt allot that can go wrong with a 120. i have worked with some of the smartest people i have ever known from japan and i would be extremly shocked if there ever was a merger i could be wrong im just posting my thought on this and dreaming of a new type of yamaha this winter

I'm guessing you're not japanese, because they wouldn't let that be posted^ - the quality just isn't there.. Good god that was hard to read.

not japanese but hard to read for sure!

 

[yamahahaapex]

For those that arent sure if yamaha will put their "reliabilty" to the test by using a skid designed by A/C. Think of it as a potential improvement from the low quality weve been putting up with for 10 years. Here here for hopeful advancements to the brand

 

[SRXSRULE2]

If yamaha crossed paths with polaris, I'd buy one of these ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RBvTHbBRhQ

 

[low slung]

Rumour on a mountain sled forum is Arctic cat is going to an all-four-stroke line-up after 2014.This came from a MT dealer who heard from AC reps.Take it for whats it worth.

 

[vector06]

I heard today Yamahas Vector engine with front dump exhaust in a new chassis with Cats front and rear suspension along with a couple new DI two strokes. I have to say I am very much looking forward to the 2014 introductions.

 

[actionjack]

The irony is Japan's economy and industrial complex were rebuilt after the A-bombs by.... Wait for it ....

Americans.

Crosby, Demming and others instituted the Zero defect manufacturing models that create great Japanese products. Of course there is some cultural influence too.

Next year models and who would marry who is all conjecture but ecopter's point is valid. Plus pretty sure Suzuki had some interaction with Arctic Cat so the idea that the 2 cultures can't work together is already moot.

 

[Suckur]

Pulling the trigger on a Cat proclimb xf 800 high country limited in white tomorrow. I can't wait any longer for Yamaha to catch up. Hopefully we''ll see a nitro engine in this chassis soon to make me regret my decision.

 

[EnticerRider]

guys im not saying that there is anything wrong with US made and i didnt say yamahas didnt have there issues my point is this. who builds the most relaible snowmobiles? yamaha i have a sled shop and i used to have skidoos and arcticcats and my shop is full of broken arctics and polaris sleds one blown ptec 800 all yamahas i have to sevrice need just an oil change-and hyfax- thats a problem. i drive a new proudly US made gmc sierra, point here is i find it hard to belive anyone when they say there is going to be a yamacat these are just my thoughts it could very well happen. it would be interesting wouldnt it, but i cant see yamaha sacrificing there reliability reputation for arcticat. a company flooded with recalls and fires - reverse issues they still cant figure out ect.

Yamaha builds reliable Motors and drives but the rest of the sled has issues. Sure Cat has recalls they admit to the problem and then fix it. Yamaha just deny's that there is a problem in the first place. If you never admit to a fault then I guess in Yami's eyes they have none. Easy to say Cat has the most recalls and Yami has none. But on the flip side of that it could be said that that Cat looks after the sled after it sold at their expense and Yami says there is no problem but will sell you updated parts to fix it at your expense.

I get tired of this Yami is the best sled and the others are all junk thought process, its blue blinders! I ride a Yamaha because of the Motor. I've put up with the rest of the sleds little quirks because of that. Saying that Yamaha would sacrifice their reputation to do a deal with Cat is ludicrous. Both could learn a lot from the other. Yamaha's are far from perfect!

I've owned and rode both. My Yami has a great motor but My Cats had the best suspension. Marry a Yami motor drive train to a Cat chasiss and you will have the best sled that I would buy in an instant, well at least after the first years run. Never buy a first year sled no matter what the brand.

Couldn't agree more, a lot of yamaha riders including myself are here for the motors that yamaha has produced. This is a power sport.
Very simalar to yamaha is Dodge RAM with the cummins diesel engines. rest of the truck is not quite as good but the engine is what sells the 2500 RAM for sure.

 

[dilligaf]

guys im not saying that there is anything wrong with US made and i didnt say yamahas didnt have there issues my point is this. who builds the most relaible snowmobiles? yamaha i have a sled shop and i used to have skidoos and arcticcats and my shop is full of broken arctics and polaris sleds one blown ptec 800 all yamahas i have to sevrice need just an oil change-and hyfax- thats a problem. i drive a new proudly US made gmc sierra, point here is i find it hard to belive anyone when they say there is going to be a yamacat these are just my thoughts it could very well happen. it would be interesting wouldnt it, but i cant see yamaha sacrificing there reliability reputation for arcticat. a company flooded with recalls and fires - reverse issues they still cant figure out ect.

Yamaha builds reliable Motors and drives but the rest of the sled has issues. Sure Cat has recalls they admit to the problem and then fix it. Yamaha just deny's that there is a problem in the first place. If you never admit to a fault then I guess in Yami's eyes they have none. Easy to say Cat has the most recalls and Yami has none. But on the flip side of that it could be said that that Cat looks after the sled after it sold at their expense and Yami says there is no problem but will sell you updated parts to fix it at your expense.

I get tired of this Yami is the best sled and the others are all junk thought process, its blue blinders! I ride a Yamaha because of the Motor. I've put up with the rest of the sleds little quirks because of that. Saying that Yamaha would sacrifice their reputation to do a deal with Cat is ludicrous. Both could learn a lot from the other. Yamaha's are far from perfect!

I've owned and rode both. My Yami has a great motor but My Cats had the best suspension. Marry a Yami motor drive train to a Cat chasiss and you will have the best sled that I would buy in an instant, well at least after the first years run. Never buy a first year sled no matter what the brand.

I couldn't agree with you more about Yamaha's engines. As far as the rest of the sled I disagree with you to some extent. The truth is I've had much less issues with my Yamaha's than my Cats. I swear I almost needed my own hotline to the local cat dealer with constant nuisance part issues with the whole sled.

One thing is for sure, Yamaha's shock guy needs to be taken out behind the shed. Its like he doesn't even exist for the snowmobile division.