Yamacharger.... CPR now sells these....

[kviper]

Well-alot of nay-sayers to this product..I quess i aim going to be the guinny pig on this one for you all..BUT in saying that - i aim NOT going in to this blind..I HAVE sorced all info. on this..I also talked to Dan (G-Force) for over 1 hour this morning and asked all my questions and talked about my concerns..He was a great guy to talk to and VERY honest in what was and was not going to happen..I aim going to make the 12 drive there and they are setting my sled up on Jan..11........As of some of the talk here-- .yes 2lb boost and lower rpm gain/// all system IS inside the sled(stealth)..all mods. i have can stay (but NO ram air)//system will work good with PC and staying with it will add 2hp but NOT needed/they will reprogram all ///timing add 4 degrees//reclucthing (weighting) done there and if my setup is not giveing full hp. they have there own arms for the system//91 fuel needed for better hp.//system NOT made of all plastic// OOO and the proof IS in the dyno reports.........I beleive that these guys are good at what they do !! Or they would not have set a new World Record on the sand flats...My sled will be on the dyno (track) 6 to 10 times that day for test and tune..Before and many times after setting timing and clucthing....I no that i have spent as much on the things i have done to my sled AND did not gain 20hp ...SO i aim going to try this system !! I have nothing but good things to say about the G-Force guys after talking with them..If the nay-sayers what more info. then it is simple CALL 819-849-4849 and ask for Dan......... I will forsure let you all no what happens !!!!!...............Brian

Can you explain the timing? I have a timing key in my sled now and Gilles recommended that i put it back to stock. Are they adding timing at WOT or just lower rpm for throttle response? Thanks, kviper

 

[shanksyamaha]

OH BOY... I cant wait to hear what you guys have to say once you get the systems installed and have some ride time... I really like the simplicity of this system.. Im not looking for huge HP numbers, Im not looking to be the fastest thing on snow. However I have been on 150 hp sleds for a couple years now. I love yamaha but I want more than 150. I have said for the last 2 years If I could secure 180hp in a reliable sled, Id buy it in an instant... I just want to keep my apex just exactly the way it is BUT with closer to 180hp.....


Cant wait to hear the results you guys have once you try them out. If everything works out ok, and I have good luck with my apex this year, There wil be one on my sled by the time snow flys next season!!


keep us posted, I'll be watching the threads close all winter... I gotta hear how this thing works!

 

[ROCKERDAN]

i was all about the MPI system too....but a few family things have come up so i had to hold off for now....

so im sorta glad cause this gives me a chance to keep an eye on this less expensive low boost blower,time will tell.

Kviper will be the first(on TY) that i know of to install one,and the best thing is....hes working alongside a legend in many respects(Jeff Simons)

so we will get the real story.

I am waiting on the sidelines at the moment,since there is a new sled coming out for 2011 and now this new low boost blower,i feel this is the best time to NOT BUY anything and see where this all goes.

I highly doubt any new release from yammie will have 170hp(99.9% sure it wont)....im guessing a new yammie has a new design,maybe less weight,and probably a 3cyl at 150hp(bumped nytro motor)

so in the end a 170hp low boost apex might be the ticket...but if that new model next season is awesome,i dont want to have spent 2200 on this blower.

just thinking out loud here...

Dan

 

[Super Sled]

It will be interesting to see if this is the real deal. I actually really hope it is. It's a lot less money and seems to not greatly impact reliability, which are key.....

 

[snerkman]

I highly doubt any new release from yammie will have 170hp(99.9% sure it wont)....im guessing a new yammie has a new design,maybe less weight,and probably a 3cyl at 150hp(bumped nytro motor)


Dan

My previous muscle sled was a 1998 Mach Z triple @145hp. Now I'm riding 150hp 2008 Apex. When I can go to a cycle dealer and buy any number of 150-200mph streetbikes and 200+hp watercraft, why can't we buy a reliable, warrantied factory sled with 200hp? Nearly every owner of every brand of muscle sled wants more hp, what the hell are the OEM's waiting for??

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I highly doubt any new release from yammie will have 170hp(99.9% sure it wont)....im guessing a new yammie has a new design,maybe less weight,and probably a 3cyl at 150hp(bumped nytro motor)


Dan

My previous muscle sled was a 1998 Mach Z triple @145hp. Now I'm riding 150hp 2008 Apex. When I can go to a cycle dealer and buy any number of 150-200mph streetbikes and 200+hp watercraft, why can't we buy a reliable, warrantied factory sled with 200hp? Nearly every owner of every brand of muscle sled wants more hp, what the hell are the OEM's waiting for??

you cannot compare BIKES to sleds ....sleds take 100 times the beating that a bike does....bikes hold up no problem with Hi HP,where as sleds drivetrain,and tracks have a very hard time holding up for much time with over 150hp...

Bikes also on roads where there are speed limits(in most cases) where sleds you can get on a lake on hold the throttle wide open forever....a sled has to be able to withstand that,a bike is rarely held wide open at redline for any length of time,since it has gears.

BTW the machs with 809 motors had 155-160HP out of the box....i had my 99 ck3 for many years and to this day havent been able to make my apex that fast on radar...126.9 i ran with that stock machz on ice....best so far on apex with alot more work has been 120.2.

Dan

 

[SharkAttak]

i was all about the MPI system too....but a few family things have come up so i had to hold off for now....

so im sorta glad cause this gives me a chance to keep an eye on this less expensive low boost blower,time will tell.

Kviper will be the first(on TY) that i know of to install one,and the best thing is....hes working alongside a legend in many respects(Jeff Simons)

so we will get the real story.

I am waiting on the sidelines at the moment,since there is a new sled coming out for 2011 and now this new low boost blower,i feel this is the best time to NOT BUY anything and see where this all goes.

I highly doubt any new release from yammie will have 170hp(99.9% sure it wont)....im guessing a new yammie has a new design,maybe less weight,and probably a 3cyl at 150hp(bumped nytro motor)

so in the end a 170hp low boost apex might be the ticket...but if that new model next season is awesome,i dont want to have spent 2200 on this blower.

just thinking out loud here...

Dan

I hear ya RockerDan, I got so much $$$$ in Toys my wife is ready to kill me, I still waiting for the new Yami, I hope i'm not disappointed this year

 

[Super Sled]

I got so much $$$$ in Toys my wife is ready to kill me

My wife threatened this exact thing for the exact same reason just yesterday.....

Maybe that's why I'm so nervous about this s/c -- if it's sweet, I'll have to get it and then I'm a dead man!!!!!!!

 

[GotJuice]

I disagree

I highly doubt any new release from yammie will have 170hp(99.9% sure it wont)....im guessing a new yammie has a new design,maybe less weight,and probably a 3cyl at 150hp(bumped nytro motor)


Dan

My previous muscle sled was a 1998 Mach Z triple @145hp. Now I'm riding 150hp 2008 Apex. When I can go to a cycle dealer and buy any number of 150-200mph streetbikes and 200+hp watercraft, why can't we buy a reliable, warrantied factory sled with 200hp? Nearly every owner of every brand of muscle sled wants more hp, what the hell are the OEM's waiting for??

you cannot compare BIKES to sleds ....sleds take 100 times the beating that a bike does....bikes hold up no problem with Hi HP,where as sleds drivetrain,and tracks have a very hard time holding up for much time with over 150hp...

Bikes also on roads where there are speed limits(in most cases) where sleds you can get on a lake on hold the throttle wide open forever....a sled has to be able to withstand that,a bike is rarely held wide open at redline for any length of time,since it has gears.

BTW the machs with 809 motors had 155-160HP out of the box....i had my 99 ck3 for many years and to this day havent been able to make my apex that fast on radar...126.9 i ran with that stock machz on ice....best so far on apex with alot more work has been 120.2.

Dan

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I agree with a lot of your thoughts but have to bring a few points up in this conversation. Super bikes are held wide open and ran up and down the gears harder then the majority of sled owners! Many classes are stock except suspension and tuning.....I also know many bike guys who hammer the piss out of there crotch rockets, their much harder on there bikes then any sled owners I know. ( the weather and riding conditions are harder on our equipment thoguh)
Next I would have to say look at all the guys with 270 H.P. MCX boosted Apexs with 3000+ miles and no issues! Let alone the lower boosted numbers....Yamaha's are highly OVER engineered and why most of us buy them, they are completely dependably capable of 200+ h.p. from their currently engineered chassis.
EVERYTHING....comes down to the bottom line and making a profit! If the market share was in high horse power sleds then you'd see the focus on them but the market share is the mid range class....this is why Polaris has stayed in business. They deliver a great ride in a mid class performing sled! ( their high H.P. sleds have been plagued with mechanical problems over the past 7 years)
Another thing to consider..... Cat builds a factory turbo'd sled that is reliable and higher horse powdered, this is a clear indication that it's not a matter of being able to do it but rather the profit to debt margine.....will they sell enough to make it worth while and do they desire this market/share position? Cat warranties there sleds so Yamaha could do the same thing WITH boost.....look at there boosted personal watercrafts....are they not warranteed regardless of riding style and condition? It's not the warrantee or liabilty as much as it is profittability and market share! Yamaha has always been conservative with a solid dependable product, and being pushed by the other competitors to increase their offerings. I strongly believe we'll be seeing a purpose built boosted 4 stroke Mnt. and trail sled from both Cat and Skidoo in the next 1-2 years and then perhaps Yamaha will follow suit....it is evolution and will eventually be the norm! They only way to truly become competitive is going boosted with a lighter 4 stroke motor....or being out front in the drive to produce higher H.P. out of there current 3 holer 165-ish h.p. .....really pushing the envelope. ( here again this has never been Yamaha's thing)
A supercharged 750cc twin Phazer with a 15" track.....flickability and 165 h.p. If they chose to be number one they could be....it's a matter of the companies over all goal and desire. A tunnel with an integrated gass tank/tunnel top that has the cooling heat exchangers running through the bottom of the gas tank/tunnel exposaed to the top of the track that's the full length of the tunnel, maybe 2" deep with baffling? Thinking outside the box!

 

[shanksyamaha]

I got so much $$$$ in Toys my wife is ready to kill me

My wide threatened this exact thing for the exact same reason just yesterday.....

Maybe that's why I'm so nervous about this s/c -- if it's sweet, I'll have to get it and then I'm a dead man!!!!!!!

OMG... Thats sooo funny. Im in the exact same boat. I talked my wife into letting me get a new sled this year only because I promised I would not spend any money on it.... I had it a week and had put $500 into it. she was ready to kill me. Then yesterday, I was so excited about this thread I started telling her about the new G force system and she interrupted me and flat out told me I was dead if I even thought about spending another cent on the sled this year... Which is fine, Ill get one over the summer....

 

[snerkman]

I highly doubt any new release from yammie will have 170hp(99.9% sure it wont)....im guessing a new yammie has a new design,maybe less weight,and probably a 3cyl at 150hp(bumped nytro motor)


Dan

My previous muscle sled was a 1998 Mach Z triple @145hp. Now I'm riding 150hp 2008 Apex. When I can go to a cycle dealer and buy any number of 150-200mph streetbikes and 200+hp watercraft, why can't we buy a reliable, warrantied factory sled with 200hp? Nearly every owner of every brand of muscle sled wants more hp, what the hell are the OEM's waiting for??

you cannot compare BIKES to sleds ....sleds take 100 times the beating that a bike does....bikes hold up no problem with Hi HP,where as sleds drivetrain,and tracks have a very hard time holding up for much time with over 150hp...

Bikes also on roads where there are speed limits(in most cases) where sleds you can get on a lake on hold the throttle wide open forever....a sled has to be able to withstand that,a bike is rarely held wide open at redline for any length of time,since it has gears.

BTW the machs with 809 motors had 155-160HP out of the box....i had my 99 ck3 for many years and to this day havent been able to make my apex that fast on radar...126.9 i ran with that stock machz on ice....best so far on apex with alot more work has been 120.2.

Dan

Same for a 265hp blown watercraft. When we had 150hp ten years ago, there's no excuse for not having 200 now. And I agree with the points GotJuice makes about superbikes, etc. BTW, I would never have left Doo if they made a direct injected triple in the ZX chassis. The only reason I bought the Apex instead of a new Mach is I can't f'in stand the rider-forward seating. Even the Apex is farther forward than I'd like, but it's the best game in town.

 

[shanksyamaha]

I know when I had my cbr I held it to the bar alot, I rode it like I stole it and beat the hell out of it. However.... It didnt take 1/2 the abuse my sled takes on the very first ride. No matter how much I hit the redline on my bike, I always either shifted or had to let off within a few seconds... Its nothing to have my sled over 11k rpm for well over 5-7 minutes.... I do believe people beat on their bikes but I dont think it can compare to the abuse a sled takes.. Sleds are run in weather conditions that are brutal, Feezing cold below zero temps, then up in the 40's during the day, then back to below zero at night.... Rough trails pounding the chassis, Motor being bounced around all the time on rough trails, rain, snow, salt, High RPMs.... etc... I think the sled does take alot more of a beating then bikes ever could... I still think we should be offered more power....


However there alot of sled related accidents... Lots on bikes too but sleds get a bad rap (in my area anyway) People call them the death machines... In the heart of winter, there is usually a death per weekend in the tug hill area... In our area we see maybe 1 death a year on sleds so not as bad but not as much traffic.... I think the manufacturers feel some pressure not to increase HP much...

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I know when I had my cbr I held it to the bar alot, I rode it like I stole it and beat the hell out of it. However.... It didnt take 1/2 the abuse my sled takes on the very first ride. No matter how much I hit the redline on my bike, I always either shifted or had to let off within a few seconds... Its nothing to have my sled over 11k rpm for well over 5-7 minutes.... I do believe people beat on their bikes but I dont think it can compare to the abuse a sled takes.. Sleds are run in weather conditions that are brutal, Feezing cold below zero temps, then up in the 40's during the day, then back to below zero at night.... Rough trails pounding the chassis, Motor being bounced around all the time on rough trails, rain, snow, salt, High RPMs.... etc... I think the sled does take alot more of a beating then bikes ever could... I still think we should be offered more power....


However there alot of sled related accidents... Lots on bikes too but sleds get a bad rap (in my area anyway) People call them the death machines... In the heart of winter, there is usually a death per weekend in the tug hill area... In our area we see maybe 1 death a year on sleds so not as bad but not as much traffic.... I think the manufacturers feel some pressure not to increase HP much...

exactly....there is no comparison to bikes IMO....i have been riding sportbikes my whole life,and now my Vrod.....

i beat the hell out of my bikes,but you are only at REDLINE for a split second ,then you shift....you dont hold it at redline for an entire LAKE which could be upwards of 10-15 minutes!.....comparing a bike on the street to a sled in MOTOR WEAR....there not even close!

we all know they can make higher HP sleds,and sure alot has to do with the fact they wont sell very many due to cost point vs how many guys want a hi HP sled.....but i tell you now,if you think we have a ton of warranty issues already(which we do!) imagine 200hp sled?....stuff would not be lasting half as long as it does now,and Im sure this is one of the reasons you wont ever see big HP sleds,too dangerous and too many warranty claims would come in.

ask anyone with a turboed sled over 200hp......I dont know one person who has gone a full season without some sort of tinkering,fixing or breaking of something....

sleds take more abuse then any other powersports IMO.

Dan

 

[MUSKOKA APEX RTX 07]

All this talk about the wifes letting them do anything?? Guys i have one thing to say KEEP YOUR PIMP HAND STRONG LOL you can ask RockerDan i dont askpermission for NADA. remember this saying boys "ITS ALWAYS EASIER TO ASK FORGIVNESS THAN IT IS PERMISSION" Thats how i roll and ive been with my old lady 20 yrs in Aug HEHE

 

[bottlerocket]

Just do like they do with there cloths ~ when you say "is that a new sweater" (dont care just making browny points) and they say "Ive had this for awhile". Then you tell them to remove the tag before they leave the house. Just do it cause they do.