Yamaflaw's

I am riding a 2009 Renegade e-tec 600 at work. I am on my second motor, third computer and just picked it up from dealer on Saturday with other computer and rave issues. That cost $550. That day, I went to work and blew out the adjuster on the secondary clutch. Put a hole in the belly pan and the adjuster nailed me in the leg. If I owned this sled, I would not be able to afford to drive it because it has cost so much money. Computers are around 14-15 hundred bucks.

I have my personal sleds and have not put any money into them other than a few upgrades. I have around 10 thousand kms on each of them. Driving a ski-doo (at least my work sled) would put me out of business if I was the registered owner.
 
Started riding Yamaha in 1973 because I was looking for something better than the one way tickets I was riding (get you there but never get you home). It's been a long time and a lot of Klms. (miles) since I had to walk because my sled failed.
 
I love my Nytro even if i have to spend money to get it the way i want it. Heck right now im doing a different tunnel, new rear skid, on top of the Zbroz a arms i already did as well as new skis, and the list goes on but with 7k miles on the engine its still like it was brand new.

I leave you with a joke i heard this weekend...."98% of Polaris snowmobiles made are still on the trail ................................................................. the other 2% made it home"
 
That's why their new motto is "Terrain supremacy" They'll always have a spot on the trail! You just have to drive around it everytime..
 
I have had a similar experience with my Nytro, always fixing little things. I get pissed off then I remind myself how many engines I have pulled out of Ski-doos.
 
What drew me to getting a 4 stroke was reliability. 2 strokes fail at a much higher rate. I bought new and could not justify spending $12k on a 2 stroke no matter what the claims. 2 strokes have their place and are a better option in specific applications, but getting back after a 300 mile ride is not one option I wanted to gamble on.
 
All good points Ill try replacing the flawed parts with up graded ones. What is the Grizztracks gussets and who makes the ball joint up grade? Thanks for the reminders of why I switched to Yamaha in the first place
 
I just got back from 2 trips to Canada. We rode 2000 miles total.
1- 600 etec, 2- 800 etecs and 1- 800 etec renagade, and my Nytro XTX.
Let’s start with fuel first.....600 etec was the best, the 800's about the same as the Nytro.......sometime I took less (I don’t baby the sled) but premium in the Doos. Then back at the hotel the good old $50 dollar a gallon oil. Again the 600 took the least. The 800's averaged about a quart for 250 miles, ($18 a quart on the trail) and yes they were broke in.

I rode the 800 renagade...bad vibration in the handlebars, a dead spot at about 70 mph and noisy.....like a plane taking off compared to the 4-stroke. Could use clutch work. And yes at times the oil smell.
Suspension was good. The other etec had vibration in the handle bars and left foot....was going numb.
I had no trouble keeping up with any of them on any type of trails with the Nytro.
Raced the short 800 etec, both of us with saddle bags to about 90...I was pulling away from him. The 600 no contest, but nice trail sled, not enough power for me.
The guys rode my XTX and could not believe the smoothness and quiet.
One of the guys is a previous Attack owner and commented how much he missed his motor.
I have almost 4000 miles on the Nytro and no major issues.
With any sled or company there are tradeoffs.....I will keep my sled for now. The Doos were nice, but not for me.



:yam: :4STroke: :rocks:
 
SnoWarrior, I know exactly what you mean. On my days off when I get back on my Nytro, even my Harley of an RX-1M, I am happy to be on them vs the doo. I feel no excitement at all when riding the doo. The torque, the sound, the Yamaha feeling is just not there. The 600 e-tec is not all that great in gas mileage on the lakes. Just this weekend my fuel light came on at 139km and I have run out of fuel at 133 kms (160km=100miles). I have several long lake runs and I do not go slow. I always feel nervous about about the long fast runs that I don't have the heart to hold it to bar. I am a long ways from the truck in the middle of nowhere always alone. So, blowing up a a two stroke is always in the realm of possibility and is has happened before.

I don't get that feeling with my Yamahas.

Sure the doo will blow the doors off my Yamaha's on the groomed trail, but I don't ride groomed trails so that is a non issue.
 
At least you aren't this guy

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Stone9 said:
I definitely have not spent 2000-3000 bucks on components. Buy the ball joint fix, oilites, and grizztraks gussets. take out the tunnel protectors to decrease ice build up. Add more boogies to help hyfax wear. I agree Yamaha should address this but these are Easy fixes. I am good at easy fixes. little more difficult to rebuild an engine
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How do you run 170 studs with no tunnel protectors? Am I missing something.
 
lucky_twin said:
All good points Ill try replacing the flawed parts with up graded ones. What is the Grizztracks gussets and who makes the ball joint up grade? Thanks for the reminders of why I switched to Yamaha in the first place
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The Grizztracks gusset is an angled plate that you weld into the top of your subframe. It gives strenth so it won't twist as easy. The oilite balljoint mod can be purchased from Ulmer and a few other members on here such as Crewchief. The oilite bushing mod for the A-Arm bolts is well worth the time also.
Good Luck and don't get frustrated because once you deal with all the minor issues you'll have a sled for years that is more reliable and fun than any other out there.
 
canoehead said:
lucky_twin said:
All good points Ill try replacing the flawed parts with up graded ones. What is the Grizztracks gussets and who makes the ball joint up grade? Thanks for the reminders of why I switched to Yamaha in the first place
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The Grizztracks gusset is an angled plate that you weld into the top of your subframe. It gives strenth so it won't twist as easy. The oilite balljoint mod can be purchased from Ulmer and a few other members on here such as Crewchief. The oilite bushing mod for the A-Arm bolts is well worth the time also.
Good Luck and don't get frustrated because once you deal with all the minor issues you'll have a sled for years that is more reliable and fun than any other out there.
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Have you tried the balljoint fix, and if so, has it worked? I'm asking because another dependable member on here reported that there are issues with them not holding up.
 
I have not done the balljoint fix, but I haven't heard of any problems such as premature wear.
 
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