2010 Vector products coming soon!

[birkebeiner]

One thing is what the dyno charts show, another this is how it works in real life sledding. What would give the best / most noticable upgrade pr $ ?? I've heard some saying the header upgrade does not add that much itself, but the clutch-kit is what really makes the difference in real life. Would you agree??

 

[Srxspec]

What's amazing to me is the track hp on the stock Vector is only about 2.5hp shy of your Nytro track dyno run (shown on your clutch kit link). Yet the Nytro should be putting out 10-14 more hp at the crank. Vector clutching more efficient? Getting 75hp to the track with your mods is very impressive.

Hey, how much hp would a stock Apex put down at the track?

Do you know how much hp the 120hp carbed engines made at the track?

Here is a graph with a few different sleds.

Lowest graph is 2005 RS Vector, then 2010 RS Vector, then 2008 FX Nytro, then 2007 Apex. Our FX Nytro clutching does make more HP to the track now than it originally did as we have made some setup changes, but have not had it back on the track dyno since we did that.

If a person wanted to go with just the clutch kit and then
decided to add the header later,would one just tweak
the weights or would a whole new clutch kit be required?

You would just tweak the clutch kit slightly for the added header. The stock sled seems to like the 8,000-8,250 rpm area for best performance. When you put the header on the RPM slides up slightly to the 8,500-8,600 area.

One thing is what the dyno charts show, another this is how it works in real life sledding. What would give the best / most noticable upgrade pr $ ?? I've heard some saying the header upgrade does not add that much itself, but the clutch-kit is what really makes the difference in real life. Would you agree??

After 2,000 + runs on the dyno I can tell you pretty much exactly what will work in the field versus the dyno. If I didn't think it would work in the field I wouldn't advertise it. It all works hand in hand. The biggest bang for the buck is going to be clutch kit, then exhaust header, then air box modification.

Clutch Kit - $375
Exhaust header - $450
Air Box Mod - $225 (includes new lower portion of air box)

Normal retail price on all 3 would be $1,050 and I will offer a package deal of $945 for all three items.

 

[birkebeiner]

Thanks!

 

[snoway]

Dang,...HP ain't cheap... if only you could get the nytro motor in the vector....UMMMMM.

 

[Beech]

The power increase looks impressive with the clutch kit. My question is why is this increase possible? Does the clutch kit keep the engine in its
power band better? Is there less slippage? More aggressive weight profile for quicker shifting?

Seeing it puts more power to the track can one expect better gas mileage?
Will this clutch kit be good for trail riding with no sluggish back shifting?

Without giving away any secrets what does this kit all contain?
Will you include any items for fine tuning in the field?

Sorry for all the questions but ,I have done other clutching for different sleds and found what really worked good for drag racing was not so good for trail use.
Thanks in advance for your reply.

 

[Srxspec]

The power increase looks impressive with the clutch kit. My question is why is this increase possible? Does the clutch kit keep the engine in its power band better? Is there less slippage? More aggressive weight profile for quicker shifting?

The clutch kit is simply more efficient.

Seeing it puts more power to the track can one expect better gas mileage? Will this clutch kit be good for trail riding with no sluggish back shifting?

Gas mileage will not be changed, it will have the same mileage as stock. The clutch kit is designed/built to be used in a trail riding application. It will be much better throttle response/backshifting than what the stock components are.

Without giving away any secrets what does this kit all contain? Will you include any items for fine tuning in the field?

A new primary spring, Super Tip weights, and a helix. The weights come with all the extra tuning fasteners as well. We will setup the weights to the rider weight, track, etc that you give us information for.

Sorry for all the questions but ,I have done other clutching for different sleds and found what really worked good for drag racing was not so good for trail use.

All of our clutch kits are designed for trail riding. We do not have any "drag race" clutch kits available at all.

 

[peterdb]

ok...so, i have a few questions. i have alway been a 'keep it stock' kind of guy.... only because i am not much of a 'tinkerer' and i hate to mess with reliability.
truthfully, i would love to do these 3 mods on my new vector.
but a buddy of mine (with a CAT) had a clutch kit, silencer, something else (computer chip)....i don't know if it wasn't installed properly or what, but he blows belts far more often, and his sled, which used to start in 2 pulls, now take 5 to 7 pulls. i don't want to deal with this crap. (that's not why i bought a yamaha.
my questions are:
will a clutch kit have to be tinkered with? or will it be 'set it and forget it' like stock? will it blow belts more often? will it last as long as a stock clutch" etc...etc...
same goes for header and airbox....willl all these mods IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER affect the overall reliability of this VERY RELIABLE sled?

 

[journeyman]

Keep us posted. We have a new 2010 Vector GT in our shop!!

 

[sk-rx1]

srxspec
Very interestng graph. 1st time I have ever seen a direct comparison between sleds. Do you have a similar graph for any of the 2 strokes, like maybe a Viper. Does the lower HP of the 2 strokes at lower rpms show up here or does the clutching make up for that? Thanks again for the good work/info.

 

[Srxspec]

ok...so, i have a few questions. i have alway been a 'keep it stock' kind of guy.... only because i am not much of a 'tinkerer' and i hate to mess with reliability.
truthfully, i would love to do these 3 mods on my new vector.
but a buddy of mine (with a CAT) had a clutch kit, silencer, something else (computer chip)....i don't know if it wasn't installed properly or what, but he blows belts far more often, and his sled, which used to start in 2 pulls, now take 5 to 7 pulls. i don't want to deal with this crap. (that's not why i bought a yamaha.
my questions are:
will a clutch kit have to be tinkered with? or will it be 'set it and forget it' like stock? will it blow belts more often? will it last as long as a stock clutch" etc...etc...
same goes for header and airbox....willl all these mods IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER affect the overall reliability of this VERY RELIABLE sled?

The clutch kit can be setup for no tinkering. With these 4-strokes the more miles you get on them the better then engines run and usually the higher the rpm of the engine will go. You may need to add a little bit of weight to the clutch as you get more miles put on it. The clutch kit will not blow belts or have any hinderance on the belt life of the sled.

The header and air box modification will not affect the reliability either. It will maintain reliability just like stock.

journeyman, get many miles on that new Vector yet? It's a sweet ride!

sk-rx1, I do not have any graphs of the older 2-strokes. The only 2-stroke stuff I have track dyno'd was strictly racing setups. I have not done any stuff trail riding style, etc.

 

[journeyman]

ok...so, i have a few questions. i have alway been a 'keep it stock' kind of guy.... only because i am not much of a 'tinkerer' and i hate to mess with reliability.
truthfully, i would love to do these 3 mods on my new vector.
but a buddy of mine (with a CAT) had a clutch kit, silencer, something else (computer chip)....i don't know if it wasn't installed properly or what, but he blows belts far more often, and his sled, which used to start in 2 pulls, now take 5 to 7 pulls. i don't want to deal with this crap. (that's not why i bought a yamaha.
my questions are:
will a clutch kit have to be tinkered with? or will it be 'set it and forget it' like stock? will it blow belts more often? will it last as long as a stock clutch" etc...etc...
same goes for header and airbox....willl all these mods IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER affect the overall reliability of this VERY RELIABLE sled?

The clutch kit can be setup for no tinkering. With these 4-strokes the more miles you get on them the better then engines run and usually the higher the rpm of the engine will go. You may need to add a little bit of weight to the clutch as you get more miles put on it. The clutch kit will not blow belts or have any hinderance on the belt life of the sled.

The header and air box modification will not affect the reliability either. It will maintain reliability just like stock.

journeyman, get many miles on that new Vector yet? It's a sweet ride!sk-rx1, I do not have any graphs of the older 2-strokes. The only 2-stroke stuff I have track dyno'd was strictly racing setups. I have not done any stuff trail riding style, etc.

It's my Dad's brothers but we share a hobby shop so it's parked next to mine. I think he has about 150 miles on it.(sharp looking red one too) I rode it last week and I really liked it. I would have a hard time not choosing that sled for myslef as we speak if I was purchasing today. I think it would be an almost perfect trail sled. I rode it for a few miles on the trail last weekend and it felt plush. The power feels good too and I think he may just be able to take my 'ole man's Viper. His Viper is faster than mine and is the strongest stocker I have ever seen. (has beat many F7's and many 800's) When he get's it broken in we'll see if he wants to try some clutching. Looks like there is potential there.

 

[Srxspec]

Just a little update. We will have clutch kits for the 2010 Vector and LTX models ready to ship on Wednesday of this week!

We have now added a studded track (144 studs), a modified front cover for more air to the air box, a Lake Effect Snow handlebar riser (1" taller bars), etc etc.

Just some pictures!

 

[birkebeiner]

Any pictures of the air box mod?

 

[Metallicat]

Any pictures of the air box mod?

The airbox mod is shown in the pic below the track.

Hey Alan, do you suppose there would be any benefit to modifying the airbox front cover on carbed 120's?

 

[Srxspec]

Any pictures of the air box mod?

No I do not have any pictures of the actual air box modification. We machine the air box opening larger on our milling machine. Adding the extra opening in the front block off plates will help get more fresh air to the air box as well.

Hey Alan, do you suppose there would be any benefit to modifying the airbox front cover on carbed 120's?

It won't hurt to get some extra flow to the air box on the older 120's either. The little filters are $19 each.