cacsrx1 said:
buddah said:
cacsrx1 said:
I have to disagree, the other manufacturers have refined their chassis, brought out new chassis and refined those again in the same time the Nytro has been around, this tells me there is a sizable market. From December through April trailer load after trailer load of sled head west down I 80 and I 90, of which I would guess less than 5% Yamaha. The funny thing is I have never seen short tracks heading east.
Not trying to start a pi$$ing contest but just because you don't see the numbers, doesn't mean they don't exist. According to IMSA (good enough source for you?) the numbers of sleds registered in MI, WI, and MN EXCEED all other 47 states COMBINED......you really think we got THAT many mountains?
I said I agreed with a lot of points chassis wise and otherwise, but it's still a numbers game and any corporation worth staying in business is going to absolutely address their largest (and hence most profitable) segment first......that's the only point I was trying to make...........
Thank you ......when sleds head west through South Dakota, what states do you think they came from?????????????
I don't think all that many are heading west....if they are it's because the upper midwest is lacking snow (except the U.P.)...and quite frankly most of the guys I know who head west...don't take their sleds...they rent them...because it's a pain in the #*$&@ clutching and re gearing, and many of them don't have long tracks.
I prefer a long track, and I run here in the upper midwest (wisconsin)...but the majority of sleds I see around here are 121-128 inch tracks, and by a wide margin.
and there is a reason for that...our trails are not blessed to get the snow you get out west (except in the U.P.)...longer tracked/deeper lugged machines, will just burn slides up on our twisty, thin, icy trails.....the 121's are easier to throw around...alot of our trails are very narrow, in tight wooded areas...driving anything over 136, is like driving a school bus in the woods.
I do agree that longer tracked sleds are becoming more popular, especially in the upper midwest (I see alot more mountain sleds in the U.P.)...but I think the crossover market is growing much faster than the mountain sled market...and the reason is versatility...YOU GOTTA GO WHERE THE SNOW IS....the crossovers can go run powder ....and are decent on packed trails.
Has the mountain market grown in the last 10 years??? Yes it has....but sales of mountain sleds is still miniscule compared to trail sleds...Though I believe the mountain market is smaller, I do think most mountain riders do alot of customising, to make their sleds do what they want/need... in fact I bet on average you guys probably spend twice as much money with the aftermarket as we trail riders do.
If you are not seeing many riders heading east it's because:
1) we don't have any snow this year
2) mountain sleds are not very fun to ride around here
3) you need to reclutch, and gear your sleds to ride here too
4) Why would anybody who has 5ft of fresh powder trailer east 500 miles to ride groomed trails??
5)....THEY JUST DON'T KNOW how good it is here (when we have snow)...Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota have Thousands of miles of groomed maintained trails...many are like super highways through the woods, across lakes, around farm fields...and through hilly beautiful terrain. The entire regional has great pit stops, with excellent resturants, and places to stay...oh..(and something you mountain riders probably don't have)...and lots of available gas stations just off the trails. (you don't need a back pack or a gas can here)
