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2016 Yamaha Apex?

Joey P said:
yamaha apex engine in a viper......? with a mpi turbo opinion....... probably not though
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Sounds sweet to me. Too much for the chassis to handle, though? I would probably buy one!
 

all carbon fiber everything with a apex engine
 
Squatch, where's your sense of adventure? Lol
 
I hope the Apex motor and machine does not go away. It's by far my favorite machine. Now don't get mad, this is just me......but the Viper is a different breed but myself I don't think I would be happy with the fit/finish...(Arctic Cat)....or the lack of power vs. the Apex. If you look at the dyno reports it appears the Cat/Viper version lost some HP. Most of the dyno runs I have seen on the Nytro were in the 134-138 range while the current readings on that motor since it went into the Cat chassis are in the mid 120's. My personal opinion is the exhaust pipe change and the mapping change is the culprit. Furthermore the gearbox does not allow for much extra gearing and talking to some shops that are doing turbo kits for the Viper claim they cannot get enough gearing for them. One such shop is having custom gears made.

I have ridden the new Viper several times, it rides decent no doubt but feels under powered compared to my Attak. I haven't ridden the Cat version but I keep hearing the ride quality is better due to some shock changes on the Viper by Yamaha......mainly the LTX versions. WTH???

There was talk that Yamaha was still going to build their own machines and new ones were on the horizon. I hope that is true.
 
Tried a viper for the first time today,i must say i was impressed,seating position is much better for tall guys like me,the power was plenty for the trails,i currently ride a vector so all out power is not my priority,it might be my next sled
 
Yamaha puts all its R&D for engines on its motorcycles first. Snowmobiles are second. " New generation of R1 was announced on Nov. 3rd 2014. Yamaha claims power of over 200bhp."
 
That motor will most likely never reach the snowmobiles. I am sure it has a much higher peak rpm level too. It sure would be nice to see them do something like this without having to put a turbo on it though.

Realistically I would love to see Yamaha keep this style motor but improve the ride suspension. Something like an R-Motion rear skid would be nice.Shedding weight would be nice to a point but I would not want to see it in the shop for torn bulkheads like our friendly yellow neighbors.
 
journeyman said:
That motor will most likely never reach the snowmobiles. I am sure it has a much higher peak rpm level too. It sure would be nice to see them do something like this without having to put a turbo on it though.

Realistically I would love to see Yamaha keep this style motor but improve the ride suspension. Something like an R-Motion rear skid would be nice.Shedding weight would be nice to a point but I would not want to see it in the shop for torn bulkheads like our friendly yellow neighbors.
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Could not agree more.
Love the apex motor. I think the apex handled well once i figured out a setup,
but where it really lacks is suspension.
My apex rtx was never a true rough trail sled at least not in my opinion.
I now own a viper rtx. Much better ride for rough trails but it lacks power.
If the viper had the apex motor i would wet myself with joy everytime i looked at it
 
My 2 apex xtx's are sweet sleds. So much torque and that sweet sound at 10000 rpms. Would buy a viper with that engine instantly. I had a 2012 nytro xtx and does not even come close to the 4 banger. Id swear the apex has more than 30 horse over the nytro
 
This is the time of year...every year for the past 10 years...where I come back here to this site wishing and hoping that Yamaha would pull out of their tail spin and come up with something other than the trillion pound tank they call the Apex. I may even be called a "troll" here these days for all the disdain I spew on Yamaha snowmobiles. But I am not a troll because that may imply that there is actually something that Yamaha is doing that would warrant me to come here and stir pot. Seriously....some of you die hards might almost be better going on wheeler forums and defending the benefits of 1983 three-wheelers over modern day ATV's than you can do fighting for these Yamaha sleds. No motor sport industry sector has been abandon so badly as Yamaha has done to sleds since the law forced the outlaw of three wheelers. In my mind (and MANY others)...it's that bad. At least three wheelers had some genuine performance aspects you could get behind. Like.....(get ready for it...deep stuff here).....LIGHT WEIGHT and FUN FACTOR!

But, the dirty little secret here is that somewhere way down deep in my heart, I am a Yamaha sled man because I grew up strictly on Yamaha sleds. Back in the hay day. When they built sleds FOR SLEDDERS and not for themselves and whatever allows them to do the least amount of R&D and cost while they cater to 50 million Chinese riding mopeds in one single city....I used to love Yamaha sleds. Had posters on my wall. Had the hats and jackets. Argued about PERFORMANCE supremacy with my buds. These days...you guys sit around here and try once again to desperately find another reason why these out dated tanks are still okay. Well....they are not. It's as simple as that. Not even in the reliability department anymore. They are all just out dated tanks. Maybe someday Yamaha will listen to sledders other than the brand loyal sheep that you find still defending Yamaha on the internet.

And I say to Yamaha this...as hard as this post is on you...it is deserved. But you still have a place in the sled world. You still have a place in my heart. It's a old rotten faded place in my heart, but still there. And it's there with other sledders too. But you can't fake it. You need to build a genuine performance sled that doesn't try to market bullshiite down our throats on why your sled that weighs 100 lbs more than your competition is better. It is not. PERIOD. End of story. Put in a genuine effort at building what you already know we want. And if you do...I will be there to buy again. But your competitors are leaving you in the dust big time. I bought a Polaris Axys this year and my mind is blown by how much fun it is. I never knew sleds could be this much fun. It's got everything you don't. Light weight. Responsive chassis. Fun factor is off the charts. WHY CANT YOU DO THIS YAMAHA?????!!!!!!!

Yamaha...My nostalgic snowmobile heart continues to be ripped from my chest by you...
 
ccrider said:
This is the time of year...every year for the past 10 years...where I come back here to this site wishing and hoping that Yamaha would pull out of their tail spin and come up with something other than the trillion pound tank they call the Apex. I may even be called a "troll" here these days for all the disdain I spew on Yamaha snowmobiles. But I am not a troll because that may imply that there is actually something that Yamaha is doing that would warrant me to come here and stir pot. Seriously....some of you die hards might almost be better going on wheeler forums and defending the benefits of 1983 three-wheelers over modern day ATV's than you can do fighting for these Yamaha sleds. No motor sport industry sector has been abandon so badly as Yamaha has done to sleds since the law forced the outlaw of three wheelers. In my mind (and MANY others)...it's that bad. At least three wheelers had some genuine performance aspects you could get behind. Like.....(get ready for it...deep stuff here).....LIGHT WEIGHT and FUN FACTOR!

But, the dirty little secret here is that somewhere way down deep in my heart, I am a Yamaha sled man because I grew up strictly on Yamaha sleds. Back in the hay day. When they built sleds FOR SLEDDERS and not for themselves and whatever allows them to do the least amount of R&D and cost while they cater to 50 million Chinese riding mopeds in one single city....I used to love Yamaha sleds. Had posters on my wall. Had the hats and jackets. Argued about PERFORMANCE supremacy with my buds. These days...you guys sit around here and try once again to desperately find another reason why these out dated tanks are still okay. Well....they are not. It's as simple as that. Not even in the reliability department anymore. They are all just out dated tanks. Maybe someday Yamaha will listen to sledders other than the brand loyal sheep that you find still defending Yamaha on the internet.

And I say to Yamaha this...as hard as this post is on you...it is deserved. But you still have a place in the sled world. You still have a place in my heart. It's a old rotten faded place in my heart, but still there. And it's there with other sledders too. But you can't fake it. You need to build a genuine performance sled that doesn't try to market bullshiite down our throats on why your sled that weighs 100 lbs more than your competition is better. It is not. PERIOD. End of story. Put in a genuine effort at building what you already know we want. And if you do...I will be there to buy again. But your competitors are leaving you in the dust big time. I bought a Polaris Axys this year and my mind is blown by how much fun it is. I never knew sleds could be this much fun. It's got everything you don't. Light weight. Responsive chassis. Fun factor is off the charts. WHY CANT YOU DO THIS YAMAHA?????!!!!!!!

Yamaha...My nostalgic snowmobile heart continues to be ripped from my chest by you...
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Yawn! Enjoy your Axle! I love my big fat heavy tank because it is a big fat heavy STRONG fun tank. Yamaha built the perfect groomed trail/lake racing machine, best on the snow IMHO! Thats what it is, thats what it should always be. Those who buy them for what they are love them. Those who buy Vipers for what they are love them. Those who Buy Vectors for what they are love them. Then there is that other group who listen to much to the competition and follow the path of most of the magazines! To them I say! :moon:

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