2016 Yamaha Apex?

[DTR 82-27]

Sorry gytr but I for one won't "forget" about the longevity argument. To me that equals dependability and ever since my brand new 1982 SS440 that has always been at the top of my list. Five Yamaha sleds later the brand still delivers that. I have seen the other brands fail, even with good maintenance, on numerous occasions. I have never been stranded and always run near the front of the pack. I have a lot of snowmobile friends that can't say the same. And, I am talking about guys that took good care of their sleds. There is no question that every brand has its issues but IMHO, Y has always been out front with a great mix of speed, handling and dependability. Y has also been there with a long list of firsts in the snowmobile industry, innovations that left the others playing catch up. I will stick with the brand that has proven to be the best for me over the last 30 plus years. I am sure there will be some great sleds yet to come. I am just speaking from my own experience.

 

[Sasquatch]

Longevity is only as good as the maintainence program you put into your equipment 2 or 4 stroke , if ignored neither will last. So forget that old argument, as far a changing sleds every 2to3 years the only reasons the other riders of other manufacturers do it is because there brand is constantly listening to there customers and making changes on a regular basis, not just saying that there isn't an issue. every sled has issues I get it but the changes made from an 06 Apex to a 15 Apex aren't that significant, ie: taller spindles, extroverts, hand warmers, mono 2, power steering, airbox, and EXUP some of those things should have been taken care of in 2 or 3 model years not not 9 model years. None of the mentioned above should be considered improvements as some components never improved anything. Power steering and EXUP were pulled from other divisions to possibly improve the model, I get the power steering part but 80's exhaust tech, don't think so. More like adding tech to help keep the same basic design relative somehow. I don't hate Y , squatch I am just as passionate about them as any other just sick and tired of getting " FRUITCAKE" for Christmas for the last 5 years and counting. Yes the Viper has sold well, but just goes to show you how badly change in the line up was needed and wanted by consumers, although not all have jumped ship to the adoption, I understand why , it's not a true pure Y product and it shows it in its fit n finish after 1 year of use. Although a capable machine, as a customer it is not what I wanted, it's what Y wanted.

80's Exhaust tech? Who is Y? I love my RX and I love my XTX! Guess I got what I wanted! As far as longevity goes I'll take a Yamaha over most other brands, lets face it the Doo two stroke engine is only designed to last 300 hours. Your maintenance goes out the window when rebuilding the motor from top to bottom becomes regular maintenance! Makes a Yamaha look a lot better to maintain in that light.

If you go read the other forums of other sleds they all say the X (fill in brand) is not giving them what they want! Not all are satisfied and no I'm not going to buy into having to trade my sled every second year to get the newest tech as an answer. Having rode twos for most of my life I know its to stay one step ahead of the inevitable bang!

 

[gytr done]

Thats right 80's exhaust tech, 89 to be exact 89 Y FZR 1000.

 

[nate007]

Totally agree Sasquatch, Let's all be honest with ourselves here. The 4cylinder rider is a very small niche segment. Personally I don't see Yamaha putting R&D into a segment with such a low ROE, Hence my guess on the 16 to 18K or more price tag. Sadly I think they will just keep putting out the same 4 cylinder models, BNG with little tweaks here and there and once the parts bins are depleted that'll be it!

You're partially right that the 4cyl rider is a small niche market rider, but that's industry wide. Within Yamaha, the Apex is still the top seller, so from a business standpoint, why rock the boat with huge changes?
A far as the rest of this thread goes..
No matter what anybody produces, from any brand, there's going to be whiners, but its a snowmobile for Pete's sake, not a space ship. There will never be a perfect machine for everyone. Never.

 

[vetcorman05]

I've read just about this whole thread and all I can say is wow. Not trying to step on toes or piss anybody off,but a lot seems to be put on top speed and being faster and first. Me,this is just me, I couldn't care less if my buddys ski-doo is faster,or has a higher top speed,in the end I still ride a yamaha and that's good enough for me. And as long as yamaha keeps making sleds I'll keep buying them,used of course.

 

[gytr done]

It's all good there is nothing wrong with talking about your brand good or bad, needing improvement or not. I enjoy hearing comments from all as it allows me to see others view about the the product we love. Some feel the need for change some don't in all I hope that it all works out in the end, not just for Y but for the consumers that want more as well as the ones who don't.

 

[yama_rider]

This is what I don't understand....the RX1 was based off the R1 sport bike (engine and look wise too). There are updates made to the R1 every few years, most notably the crossplane engine that came out in 09 and projector style headlights. Why don't these changes trickle down to the Apex?

 

[vetcorman05]

More people buying bikes,and more money in motorcycle racing?

 

[gytr done]

I believe the RX1 engine was based off the FZ1 engine. Regardless I agree with the lack of trickle down effect from Y not giving the Apex more R1 tech. As far as motorcycles here in Canada the purchases have gone down because insurance is too high for sport bikes 600cc,1000cc. As far as motorcycle racing it is a waste of money especially here in Canada and a little more so in the US since the hay days of the AMA series. the only credibile factory race team is in moto gp, I will also give a shout out to Graves motorsports in the US and the Italian based WSBK group but they have been absent for years., here in Canada Yamaha pulled there factory effort in 2000 and haven't been back since. So the saying race on Sunday, sell on Monday shouldn't really apply to Y anymore. There snowmobile race program has been off and on for years which i perceive as someone who's not really in it too win it,

 

[yama_rider]

I know we all complain about what should or shouldn't be, but it is still an awesome one of a kind sled! I would LOVE to have a new Apex compared to what I'm riding now. One of the coolest things about them is the world of aftermarket parts for them and they love to be modded!
On a side note, remember the Bomb. has not made many changes to their 1200 since released in 09.....4 stroke sleds don't get the updates like the 2 smokes.

 

[Sasquatch]

I know we all complain about what should or shouldn't be, but it is still an awesome one of a kind sled! I would LOVE to have a new Apex compared to what I'm riding now. One of the coolest things about them is the world of aftermarket parts for them and they love to be modded!
On a side note, remember the Bomb. has not made many changes to their 1200 since released in 09.....4 stroke sleds don't get the updates like the 2 smokes.

Nor has Cat to their four strokes.

 

[vodoo child]

I know we all complain about what should or shouldn't be, but it is still an awesome one of a kind sled! I would LOVE to have a new Apex compared to what I'm riding now. One of the coolest things about them is the world of aftermarket parts for them and they love to be modded!
On a side note, remember the Bomb. has not made many changes to their 1200 since released in 09.....4 stroke sleds don't get the updates like the 2 smokes.

Put a WRP seat and risers on that bad boy, you'll think you got a new sled!

 

[Zachary]

Put a WRP seat and risers on that bad boy, you'll think you got a new sled!

Just did that to mine! Amazing difference.

 

[thor452]

Just did that to mine! Amazing difference.

I hear thats what yamaha is doing for 2016 too lol

 

[Joey P]

yamaha apex engine in a viper......? with a mpi turbo opinion....... probably not though