2016 Yamaha Apex?

[Sasquatch]

Like I told the reps. at the shows. I don't care if it costs 16 to 18 grand ""YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR""! My 07 Attak GT has 11,800 miles on it and I have no qualms riding solo anytime anyplace! My issue would be my riding skills letting me down not my sled.

My sled was a 17,000 dollar sled and my Warrior a 15,000 dollar sled, so a 18,000 dollar sled in the US would make a Canadian sled about 21,000 bucks! Now while I agree you do get what you pay for I seem to remember huge long threads all about the price of Yamaha Sleds state side and in Canada. In Canada they went down a couple bucks and the Canadians thought it wasn't enough and where getting ripped off. The Americans where vehemently pissed off about theirs going up a thousand or two.

Somehow I don't see a 18,000 dollar US sled being well received!

 

[sheetwright]

It would make only sense for them to come out with their bigger splash for the anniversary year. Being this is the snowmobile world nothing usually makes sense. Keeping in mind they haven't come out with a few sleds besides the Apex replacement.
1) the phazer replacement. Probably a 100hp phazer replacement to take on the other brands 500cc two smokes. Great way to introduce kids to the sport, and gain a younger following (which they need)
2) the true mountain sled with something from the factory to compete against the 800cc sleds, with a small diet. Bet we see a factory I stalled turbo from yamaha or cat very soon in this segment only. I heard cat is already tinkering with a turbo in their test facility.
3) the daily cruiser, aka vector. Something go to go against the 1200 doo non (x) models, and polaris Indy. Lots of women, older people, daily cruisers, beginners, or just people who don't think they need above 120hp for a sled love a low sitting sled with a solid motor, but with a better suspension
4) the apex replacement, but in a couple different chassis. Kind of hat polaris just did. A 170hp N/A sled with either The low sitting (s) model for the trail, and the (x) package for the ditch banger would make sense. Also it would take the FACTORY liability off of a trail turbo option for yamaha. Keeping the turbo as an option for trail guys, and factory install for the mountains only.

Which comes first time will tell, but we all know the viper is not the fit for everyone, unless you time tune the suspensions even farther like doo.

 

[DTR 82-27]

A big splash for the 50th anniversary does make sense but that is a few years down the road, hopefully we see something before then. Maybe they will repeat what they did in 2006-08. They brought the Apex/Attack out for 2006 and then just a refresh for 2008 with a paint scheme and Ohlins front shocks. Exactly 10 years later maybe we will see the same approach, a big change for 2016 and then just a refresh for the 50th?? (I just used the words "maybe" and "hopefully" a lot, didn't I?!?! Lol)

 

[Grimm]

I think we are just setting ourselves up for a huge disappointment. I've already decided that my next sled will not be a Yamaha, but a 4-stroke SkiDoo. Skidoo knows how to make improvements as years go by.

Too many years of Yamaha sitting on their butts has created much disdain from me and soured my wish for another sled from them.

 

[scott32]

Chasing a unicorn............good luck

 

[gytr done]

The main issue that I see from Japan is they only like to make change when they feel it is necessary or when it's a anniversary, or appropriate. Not when the customer base is wanting more, although in recent years it has gotten a little better it's still not enough for me on this model of sled. I feel they've waited too long and if they wait any longer they might make history again! , and be the first modern snowmobile manufacturer to exit the business. And I am sure we have all heard that rumor!

 

[vodoo child]

My sled was a 17,000 dollar sled and my Warrior a 15,000 dollar sled, so a 18,000 dollar sled in the US would make a Canadian sled about 21,000 bucks! Now while I agree you do get what you pay for I seem to remember huge long threads all about the price of Yamaha Sleds state side and in Canada. In Canada they went down a couple bucks and the Canadians thought it wasn't enough and where getting ripped off. The Americans where vehemently pissed off about theirs going up a thousand or two.

Somehow I don't see a 18,000 dollar US sled being well received!

Totally agree Sasquatch, Let's all be honest with ourselves here. The 4cylinder rider is a very small niche segment. Personally I don't see Yamaha putting R&D into a segment with such a low ROE, Hence my guess on the 16 to 18K or more price tag. Sadly I think they will just keep putting out the same 4 cylinder models, BNG with little tweaks here and there and once the parts bins are depleted that'll be it!

 

[gytr done]

The saying, don't fix what isn't broken that a lot of you seem to be using or have been brain washed into using by Y in regards to the Apex is pure garbage. This saying has cost Y last position in all categories ie: atvs, snowmobiles, side x sides, motorcycles. Why as a customer of Y should I continue to support a company that doesn't support in return, why should I sit back and watch other brands evolve in there product and have to beg and plead for the same. Or have to listen too "don't fix what ain't broke" no wonder there hasn't been change when there are comments like that. And don't think for 1 minute that by 2018 when Y's big reveal of who knows what, that the other brands won't have something too equal or surpass it. When your this far behind the only one to pay the price is the customer. For me there is "too much moss on this rock" .

 

[Snowaddict]

This thread is depressing. I have been waiting patiently the past few years. Nothing has come out to make me get rid of my '06 Apex RTX. I wanted to have a newer one, but figured if I bought one, the next year would be the year Yamaha would radically change the Apex or turbo it. So, I waited yet again. Another year gone by. I thought I was ready to jump ship this past year. I just couldn't bring myself to. Just don't have the confidence in the other brands. If this winter goes by again without some new big top dog from Y, I will be really tempted to say screw it and leave the brand I've loved for the past 20 years. I sure hope the majority of you are wrong & that doesn't happen. My dream is a trail friendly factory turbocharged Apex. There would be no second thought & I would order one in a heartbeat. Please Yamaha make the dream a reality.

 

[Sasquatch]

The saying, don't fix what isn't broken that a lot of you seem to be using or have been brain washed into using by Y in regards to the Apex is pure garbage. This saying has cost Y last position in all categories ie: atvs, snowmobiles, side x sides, motorcycles. Why as a customer of Y should I continue to support a company that doesn't support in return, why should I sit back and watch other brands evolve in there product and have to beg and plead for the same. Or have to listen too "don't fix what ain't broke" no wonder there hasn't been change when there are comments like that. And don't think for 1 minute that by 2018 when Y's big reveal of who knows what, that the other brands won't have something too equal or surpass it. When your this far behind the only one to pay the price is the customer. For me there is "too much moss on this rock" .

Hmmm I've never been brainwashed by Yamaha into using the don't fix it if its not broken, It comes from two generations before me and trust me I've so called fixed things that would have been much better off left alone. There is a reason Yamaha is in last place in sales, unlike the other disposable sleds you buy one and ride it for much much longer, Id rather be last and have a sled that can last then be first and have to rebuild every second year if I can keep the rest of it from breaking.

There is a reason that the other sled guys keep trading up and its not because of longevity! But Yamaha has fixed things. The RX became the Apex then it was fixed with a few different upgrades, lastly the Apex got a huge upgrade into arguably the best sled on the snow.

We have a new Catamaha called the Viper that has sold like hotcakes. No I don't think Yamaha is doing to badly! Course with 5 posts and all negative about Yamaha you must think differently.

 

[Sasquatch]

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2) the true mountain sled with something from the factory to compete against the 800cc sleds, with a small diet. Bet we see a factory I stalled turbo from yamaha or cat very soon in this segment only. I heard cat is already tinkering with a turbo in their test facility.

Which comes first time will tell, but we all know the viper is not the fit for everyone, unless you time tune the suspensions even farther like doo.

Hmm my Brother just bought a Catamaha Turbo Viper Mountain! 180hp 152 big lug track, only real problem is its slow! Big plus is its just as slow when going vertical.

 

[Snowaddict]

Hmmm I've never been brainwashed by Yamaha into using the don't fix it if its not broken, It comes from two generations before me and trust me I've so called fixed things that would have been much better off left alone. There is a reason Yamaha is in last place in sales, unlike the other disposable sleds you buy one and ride it for much much longer, Id rather be last and have a sled that can last then be first and have to rebuild every second year if I can keep the rest of it from breaking.

There is a reason that the other sled guys keep trading up and its not because of longevity! But Yamaha has fixed things. The RX became the Apex then it was fixed with a few different upgrades, lastly the Apex got a huge upgrade into arguably the best sled on the snow.

We have a new Catamaha called the Viper that has sold like hotcakes. No I don't think Yamaha is doing to badly! Course with 5 posts and all negative about Yamaha you must think differently.

Of course, I should have added to my post one of sasquatch's points. I haven't also been given a reason to get something different, especially another brand because of the reliability as well. Other than general maintenance, my sled (and the other yamahas I have had) have treated me well. The biggest issue to date was a y pipe. Oh an occasional wheel/bearing, and a crack in the front arm of the suspension. That's it. Couldn't say that for a two stroke or another brand with 9k miles on it. Maybe yamaha shoots themselves in the foot by being too reliable; thus not helping future sales? That's a bit ironic, but plausible. Of course the reliability has been what's kept me here (along with other things such as fit & finish. )

 

[Sasquatch]

This thread is depressing. I have been waiting patiently the past few years. Nothing has come out to make me get rid of my '06 Apex RTX. I wanted to have a newer one, but figured if I bought one, the next year would be the year Yamaha would radically change the Apex or turbo it. So, I waited yet again. Another year gone by. I thought I was ready to jump ship this past year. I just couldn't bring myself to. Just don't have the confidence in the other brands. If this winter goes by again without some new big top dog from Y, I will be really tempted to say screw it and leave the brand I've loved for the past 20 years. I sure hope the majority of you are wrong & that doesn't happen. My dream is a trail friendly factory turbocharged Apex. There would be no second thought & I would order one in a heartbeat. Please Yamaha make the dream a reality.

They may change the Apex but IMHO it will never be a turbo sled, if your waiting for that good luck! A turbo Apex would not be trail friendly, it would be trail insane, Mild boost of 5 pounds would take it over 200hp small increase in boost with a turn of the screw would take it to 240hp. Not trail friendly! All I see id death and breakage if given to the general public! The sled hits 110 to 120 with ease now.

I've looked at jumping ship many times but as there is nothing better out there I have stayed!

 

[gytr done]

Hmmm I've never been brainwashed by Yamaha into using the don't fix it if its not broken, It comes from two generations before me and trust me I've so called fixed things that would have been much better off left alone. There is a reason Yamaha is in last place in sales, unlike the other disposable sleds you buy one and ride it for much much longer, Id rather be last and have a sled that can last then be first and have to rebuild every second year if I can keep the rest of it from breaking.

There is a reason that the other sled guys keep trading up and its not because of longevity! But Yamaha has fixed things. The RX became the Apex then it was fixed with a few different upgrades, lastly the Apex got a huge upgrade into arguably the best sled on the snow.

We have a new Catamaha called the Viper that has sold like hotcakes. No I don't think Yamaha is doing to badly! Course with 5 posts and all negative about Yamaha you must think differently.

 

[gytr done]

Longevity is only as good as the maintainence program you put into your equipment 2 or 4 stroke , if ignored neither will last. So forget that old argument, as far a changing sleds every 2to3 years the only reasons the other riders of other manufacturers do it is because there brand is constantly listening to there customers and making changes on a regular basis, not just saying that there isn't an issue. every sled has issues I get it but the changes made from an 06 Apex to a 15 Apex aren't that significant, ie: taller spindles, extroverts, hand warmers, mono 2, power steering, airbox, and EXUP some of those things should have been taken care of in 2 or 3 model years not not 9 model years. None of the mentioned above should be considered improvements as some components never improved anything. Power steering and EXUP were pulled from other divisions to possibly improve the model, I get the power steering part but 80's exhaust tech, don't think so. More like adding tech to help keep the same basic design relative somehow. I don't hate Y , squatch I am just as passionate about them as any other just sick and tired of getting " FRUITCAKE" for Christmas for the last 5 years and counting. Yes the Viper has sold well, but just goes to show you how badly change in the line up was needed and wanted by consumers, although not all have jumped ship to the adoption, I understand why , it's not a true pure Y product and it shows it in its fit n finish after 1 year of use. Although a capable machine, as a customer it is not what I wanted, it's what Y wanted.