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300km ride today. Clutching review

ROCKERDAN said:
When it comes to the "zero" combinations on twist, How do they work?

All the other combos seem simple, just add together and X 10. (IE: 6/3---6+3=9 x 10 = 90 degrees)

So with 0/1 ....that is 10 degrees only?

Dan
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Dan,
With the cat springs you need to determine where zero twist is at to figure actual degrees of twisting for your setting. So if that’s 2-3 (50 degrees) and your final setting is 9-1 (100 degrees)
100-50= 50 twist
 

Simply install the spring in different locations until you can install the helix without twisting it. The hole numbers you are currently in to achieve zero twist to assemble the clutch is the amount you need to subtract from your final setting.
 
A setting of over 9-3 (120 degrees) starts at zero again. 1-0 would equal 130 degrees
So 130-50= 80 degrees
 
ROCKERDAN said:
Tang location does not matter for degree as long as its same spring. More or less degrees still applies.

It DOES matter if you are trying to compare degrees from one brand/make spring to another with diff tangs obviously.

Im simply asking how the ZERO numbers are used in the equation.

Dan
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Sorry, I misunderstood. I would agree that 0-1 equals 10, 0-2 equals 20 and so on.
 
74Nitro said:
Sorry, I misunderstood. I would agree that 0-1 equals 10, 0-2 equals 20 and so on.
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On springs designed for the Yamaha secondary only. It differs on Cat springs used in Yamaha clutches.
 
The info I posted is about how to figure the actual degrees of twist you are installing the spring at when using the cat springs.
Someone should verify that zero amount of twist equals a 2-3 setting with the cat springs installed in a Winder clutch. Whatever setting you can assemble the clutch without twisting the spring is zero.
 
ClutchMaster said:
Beast what are your actual twist settings on the spring? 0-1?
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9-1 I tried to get it to 0-1 but could not twist and hold by myself,my spring compressor is made more for compression only springs,i still need to twist and align bolts in order to make it work,was not easy,may give the old hold with knees roll of tape trick next time lol.
 
snowbeast said:
9-1 I tried to get it to 0-1 but could not twist and hold by myself,my spring compressor is made more for compression only springs,i still need to twist and align bolts in order to make it work,was not easy,may give the old hold with knees roll of tape trick next time lol.
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For tighter twists I find it easier doing right on the sled. Holds it in place while twisting.
 
ClutchMaster said:
A setting of over 9-3 (120 degrees) starts at zero again. 1-0 would equal 130 degrees
So 130-50= 80 degrees
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Yes that was how ulmer exsplained it,with his clutching using cat springs,his starting setting on my 38 was at 0-1 or 0-2 which is way more than 9-1 on same helix,and same cat white spring.
 
ClutchMaster said:
The info I posted is about how to figure the actual degrees of twist you are installing the spring at when using the cat springs.
Someone should verify that zero amount of twist equals a 2-3 setting with the cat springs installed in a Winder clutch. Whatever setting you can assemble the clutch without twisting the spring is zero.
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I understand what you mean...But that is not what I care about, Im not trying to compare a cat to a yam degrees.'

I simply want to know how to add up the ZERO combo....

If its all the same, then 0/1 would only be 10 degrees, which is LESS then my 9/1(100 degrees).....

Bottom line, what are white spring guys running theres at? 0/1? IF so, that is WAY less then my 9/1 (10 vs 100)

All I know is 9/1 white made MASSIVE heat in secondary, so now im down to 6/3 and its less heat but still much warmer then b/o at same 9/1.

Dan
 
No 0/1 is quite a bit more twist than 9/1 Dan. But i'll be damned if i have a mathematic calculation for ya. I failed math. Spent too much time in the library chasing girls and reading magazines. Oh and playing hooky and going sledding.
 
Doowithblue said:
No 0/1 is quite a bit more twist than 9/1 Dan. But i'll be damned if i have a mathematic calculation for ya. I failed math. Spent too much time in the library chasing girls and reading magazines. Oh and playing hooky and going sledding.
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haha.....I can completely understand those reasons brother!
 
ROCKERDAN said:
I understand what you mean...But that is not what I care about, Im not trying to compare a cat to a yam degrees.'

I simply want to know how to add up the ZERO combo....

If its all the same, then 0/1 would only be 10 degrees, which is LESS then my 9/1(100 degrees).....

Bottom line, what are white spring guys running theres at? 0/1? IF so, that is WAY less then my 9/1 (10 vs 100)

All I know is 9/1 white made MASSIVE heat in secondary, so now im down to 6/3 and its less heat but still much warmer then b/o at same 9/1.

Dan
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WTF is zero combo?

Read my post like five times see if you figure it out. Don’t know any other way to explain it.

Let’s say 9-1 is 50 degrees, 9-2 would be 60 degrees, 9-3 would be 70 degrees, 0-1 would be 80 degrees.

You only have enough holes to go 120 degrees then it starts back at zero again.

:drink:
 
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